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It's the second test roll i ran through my zorki 6.. I tested again, because first time i thought it was my fault, but now i still get some kind of very strange flare..

I'm biased towards lenses, i think they are to be blamed.. But i shot with 3 different lenses, and all of them have this strange things in the picture..

So please, help me if you can.. There is not even a single shot without this kind of defects..

The lenses were Jupiter 8, Industar 50 and Industar 61 in no particular order.. I can turn out which frame was shot by which lens, if it is important to you..

Aperture used was mainly f8-16, and shutter 1/500..

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A lens cannot do something like this. It's most unusual, and I'd like to see what explanations come up.
 
Looks like the film was fogged. Probably due to light leaks in your camera. I'm not too familiar with the Zorki 6, but it's a good idea to check out the light-sealing foam around the film door. See if there's any of it left.
 
It is certainly a light leak, or leaks. The orange strip is almost certainly caused by a deficient door seal. There should be a vertical strip of felt on the camera body on the RHS looking from the back and another one on the door behind the catch.
I wouldn't be surprised if you have a shutter curtain hole as well.
 
There is no sign of foam(as far as we assume i can turn out the signs of it). I got this camera unused, the lens and body was super clear, so i barely doubt about that..

Pitxu
if i understand your suggestion, the "stripes" on the right and left of the frame have to be transparent.. And it is indeed so.

I never thought a light leak could look like this.. but what about the third pic? all others have some kind of overexposure on the rigt side, but the third one is even slightly underexposed on the right than the whole frame.. and this strange red stripe on the left..

i have some pics from the previous roll, where the right side is completely dark, even black, and the left side is kinda normal..

but if it is a light leak, could you suggest some DIY web pages or topics here?
 
I have a similiar problem with my CLE. Not nearly as bad and very intermittent. As first I thought it was a light leak but a light leak is normally in the same spot on every picture. As I said my is intermittent, even for frames shot of the same subject. The lens is a VC 40/1.4. Any suggestions?
 
I'm not familiar with the build of the Zorki 6, but is the back door/cover loose? As others have mentioned, there's the light seals (or lack thereof), maybe the film pressure plate? Since it seems to come from different spots sometimes, I would be suspicious that it is caused by the various ways you might be holding and "squeezing" the camera - the loose door or poor seals may be forced slightly open in different areas depending on how much pressure is applied and where.
 
I can see no sign of any kinda seal, so that may be the problem.. could you suggest some DIY web-page?

or is it better to hire skilled master?
 
I've had this on a few FSU cameras. It is easy to see without film in. Here's a shot which shows the same effect.
My guess is that the film is being fogged/exposed as the film is wound on and the curtains are drawn back over the film gate. A small gap can open up between the curtain laths and "expose" the film. The effect varies and obviously changes with the level of light that the cam lens is subject to when rewinding.
The test with film is (as always, do this on a new old cam) shoot one or more shots with the lens covered and on one of say, three such shots, uncover the lens and wind on in strong light (but don't point it at the sun!). Marks you see can be attributed to leaks with/without the lens covered.
Easier still, without film and in a darkish place, wind on the the camera whilst looking at the curtains with a single bright light on the empty lens mount hole.

You'll be surprised, it's quite common.

I think that the shot with a red band may be a different problem, lucky you!
 

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i have some pics from the previous roll, where the right side is completely dark, even black, and the left side is kinda normal..
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Got a toolset?

See the sticky link on shutter tension at the top of this section. (shameless plug)
 
The Zorki 6 has four light seals associated with the hinged back. There's one inside the door, a vertical strip of felt, just behind the rivets that retain the catch. There's a similar strip on the body at the hinge end. The other two are in the channels that run along the top and bottom of the body where the door closes. My money says the vertical strips are missing or in bad shape - assuming the door itself closes properly and isn't warped in any way. The felt strips in the channels aren't really prone to deterioration but check that they are present.

Check the fitting of the door. When it's closed it should be a very snug fit all round and not be loose in any way. Hold the body as normal and try pressing the back, with your thumbs, in various places. There really should be no movement at all.

You should also check the shutter curtains and operation carefully, to eliminate them as a problem. Open the back and wind on slowly whilst holding the body (lens removed) up to a bright light. Release the shutter on all speeds. Check that no light shines when it shouldn't and that the blinds close fully and properly. Looking at the shots, I think that's not the problem but it's worth a check to be sure.
 
i'm really surprised to hear that, because there are no signs of glue or something, holding felt behind the rivets.. there is a complete emptyness.. at last i found felt seal on the hinged side, but nothing similar on the oposite..
 
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i'm really surprised to hear that, because there are no signs of glue or something, holding felt behind the rivets.. there is a complete emptyness.. at last i found felt seal on the hinged side, but nothing similar on the oposite..
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Looks as if you've found the most likely culprit! Get some adhesive-backed felt and fit some then, between the rivets and the raised section of the back (looking from the inside). There should be a vertical strip just like the one you see at the hinge end.
 
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I have a similiar problem with my CLE. Not nearly as bad and very intermittent. As first I thought it was a light leak but a light leak is normally in the same spot on every picture. As I said my is intermittent, even for frames shot of the same subject. The lens is a VC 40/1.4. Any suggestions?
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On my zorki the leaks were on the second curtain only, so, if you advance a frame and leave the shutter cocked for a while, you are likely to have leaks, because the light pass from the holes while you are walking on the sun, having a coffee and so on. But if you are used to leave the shutter uncocked and your shooting style is "advance and suddenly shoot", you may not have light leaks because no direct beam of light passes through the holes.
This explain the inconsistency between frames.
ciao
andrea
 
One of my Zorki-6 cameras had felt missing on the door catch side, with no evidence that any had been present. The result was an orange light leak similar to the one seen in this case. Unfortunately, the main problem here is the white coloured fogging. The white colour suggests that the source is at the front of the camera, probably from defective shutter curtains.
 
I have observed shutter curtains very carefully, and think there is no light leak. maybe i just WANT it to be this way. I will still give a try, stick all those problematic areas with felt and see what happens.

I'm gonna stick felt on door shutting side, and on the inside, behind rivets. I hope that helps.
 
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I have observed shutter curtains very carefully,
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Did you checked the second curtain? To do it you have to cock the shutter, leave the shutter cocked, point the camera to a light (without lens, so no fear to burn some holes) and carefully check for "stars" on the curtain.
ciao
 
To test to good effect, shine a good torch or small lamp directly into the lens mount whilst winding the camera on. Do this in a darkish room with the light you are using well sealed from your eyes, so that you eyes will adjust to the dark.
From the shape of some of the whitish broad streaks, I'd still say that your curtains aren't closed properly as you wind on. Not even the odd hole will make such bands.
 
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That field of your neighbourhood is obviously one of these aliens flying saucers landing zones. What you got is the result of the magnetic field they surround their invisible vessels with, and which has spoiled your film.

Lucky you not to have gone there with a Kiev rangefinder.
 
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