Peterbee
Newbie
I wonder if anyone has an idea what might have caused the problem you can see on the attached photo. It's as if curtains of rain were falling down the image. It is Delta 100 120 film developed in DDX which was about a month out of date. 10 seconds of inversion every minute. I fixed it in a batch of Ilford Rapid Fixer which I had used three times before. This usually works fine for me. My only departure from normal was that I forgot to tap it at all to get rid of air bubbles. I washed with the 5/10/20 inversions method. All 12 negs have the same effect to a greater or lesser extent. Same also for the next film which I developed at the same time.
I'd love to know if anyone has any ideas what might have caused it?
I'd love to know if anyone has any ideas what might have caused it?
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Pete B
Well-known
Edit following reading Morille's suggestion below
https://www.ilfordphoto.com/statement-120-roll-film/
Pete
https://www.ilfordphoto.com/statement-120-roll-film/
Pete
morille
Newbie
Seems that the paper back prints on the film, is the other one the same film?
Peterbee
Newbie
Yes, the second roll was also Delta 100 and also slightly out of date. I also developed a third roll in that session, of Tri-X 400 120 but hadn't scanned it. I've just scanned the first three images and guess what? No problem at all - just fine. So the culprit is clearly the Ilford film.
I read through the link you suggested and also followed the link in it to the statement on the Ilford website. They clearly accept that there is a problem with some rolls of the film.
Thank you both so much for your help. Without it I would have been stumbling around for ages thinking it was my developing technique at fault. I am well impressed. I have been a member of the forum for a few weeks only and this is the first time I have posted.
Thanks again.
I read through the link you suggested and also followed the link in it to the statement on the Ilford website. They clearly accept that there is a problem with some rolls of the film.
Thank you both so much for your help. Without it I would have been stumbling around for ages thinking it was my developing technique at fault. I am well impressed. I have been a member of the forum for a few weeks only and this is the first time I have posted.
Thanks again.
Bill Clark
Veteran
Were the temperatures of the solutions close to the same? Including the rinse water.
What were the temps?
What were the temps?
Peterbee
Newbie
Temps were all the same - 20 degrees or near enough as makes no difference. I think the fact that it was only the two Ilford films and not the Kodak is the vital fact.
Peterbee
Newbie
For completeness' sake: reply from Ilford.
Hi Peter,
Many thanks for sending the images and batch number.
I am recognising the issue you are unfortunately encountering – its what we recognise as ‘comb lines’, and is liked to an issue with the wrapper. When you initially sent your email, I also had wondered if your findings might link to our website statement, but I can confirm its not linked.
Your incident is one that affected a small number of films within a time period that we now accurately know – and post that time period, the wrapper error has been corrected. (we apply more lacquer – to smooth the surface – and such comb lines are no longer an issue).
Although your films were used out of date (which still often gives good results), the defect would have still unfortunately been there even if used in date – and as I also appreciate its so disappointing to have lost valuable images – I will be sorting getting replacement films posted out to you. I appreciate sending films doesn’t rescue your lost images however – nor take away your disappointment in losing them).
So as soon as you can send me your postal address, I’ll get the films sorted for you. Due to covid delays etc, it may unfortunately take 12 weeks till you receive them.
Hi Peter,
Many thanks for sending the images and batch number.
I am recognising the issue you are unfortunately encountering – its what we recognise as ‘comb lines’, and is liked to an issue with the wrapper. When you initially sent your email, I also had wondered if your findings might link to our website statement, but I can confirm its not linked.
Your incident is one that affected a small number of films within a time period that we now accurately know – and post that time period, the wrapper error has been corrected. (we apply more lacquer – to smooth the surface – and such comb lines are no longer an issue).
Although your films were used out of date (which still often gives good results), the defect would have still unfortunately been there even if used in date – and as I also appreciate its so disappointing to have lost valuable images – I will be sorting getting replacement films posted out to you. I appreciate sending films doesn’t rescue your lost images however – nor take away your disappointment in losing them).
So as soon as you can send me your postal address, I’ll get the films sorted for you. Due to covid delays etc, it may unfortunately take 12 weeks till you receive them.
KenR
Well-known
Interesting that Kodak had an issue with the backing of their medium format film a couple of years ago. Frame numbers would show up as ghost images on the negatives. I experienced that problem and, like the poster, lost several rolls of images that I had worked hard to get. Kodak, like Ilford, promptly replaced my film, but obviously they didn’t compensate me for my lost time.