Henri Cartier-Bresson

I find it very difficult to rank photographers. Much more easy to associate a photographer with one or more strengths, as in HCB and composition. Studying others' works causes profound humility more than anything else ;-)) So many of the photographers starting out in Europe and working especially in the 50s and 60s were just so wonderfully talented and productive ...
 
kiev4a said:
. Some shots obviously were blurred by camera movement. Others had flare that almost obscured the subject matter. It's the sort of stuff most of us would be ashamed to even print, let alone display in public -- a how not to take pictures essay. But in the art community the lady is considered brilliant. All it takes it one well-known celebrity to say something is wonderful and suddenly it is "creative genius" instead of wasted film.

Exactly !! Since art could free itself and escaped frome the control of the academies in the 19th century we can't avoid that a lot of charlatans get involved supported by crooks who want to suck money from all those bourgeois idiots who do not know arse from elbow , artistically I mean.
Maybe this has something to do with the fact that the liberated art ( L' art pour l'art) is in principle less well suited for business than the academic art was before, you orderd a portrait and you got one, basta.
The modern art is open to any kind of abuse, maybe the price for an unrestricted freedom of expression ? No problem for me, let the crooks produce crap and sell it to some stuffed shirts, who (ab-) use art as a kind of furniture. So what ?
They use art as some kind of cosmetic equipment for their lifeless lifes , and so they earn it to get cheated, don't they ? 🙂)
Best,
Bertram
 
taffer said:
Btw to be honest, a year and half ago I didn't even know who HCB was. I like his work but found that Doisneau's one calls me more.

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Me too ! Ray Charles once ws asked what "Soul Music" is and he said it's simply something touching your soul. Visually Doisneau is Soul Music for me, no matter how much I like many of HCB's photos.
Best,
Bertram
 
I first saw HCB's photographs as a very young man living in Los Angeles in the fifties. I was terribly interested in photography and spent hours studying the work of people in my region. It was clear to me that this (HCB's work) was something entirely different than what I was accustomed to seeing, and I couldn't figure out how he did it, as I was armed at the time with a cumbersome and unwieldy fold-out camera with a little bellows.

Then I saw a picture of him with this tiny camera. His photographs had changed the way I thought about photography, and the strange camera piqued my curiosity. When I figured out what the camera was I recall going to a camera store in downtown L.A. and asking to see a Leica. If I had been drunk when I entered the store I would have emerged sober. As I recall, the price with lens was close to what I earned in a month. However, I was not so naive at the time to fall for the notion that if only I had a Leica, I, too, could take similar, and just as visually arresting, photographs.

What I found a recurrent motif in his work was what appears to be a carefully composed image with a human flitting through it (Torcello, Italy, 1953; Abruzzi, Italy, 1951; the bicyclist in Hyéres, 1932, etc.) It seemed that he composed the scene, then just waited.

But then there's a geometric tension about many of his photos that I can't really articulate. I was once turning the pages of a book of his photographs, and my teen-age daughter sat beside me. After we had finished, she said, "He took every photograph at just the right time, didn't he."

Ted
 
tedwhite said:
After we had finished, she said, "He took every photograph at just the right time, didn't he."
Ted
Ted, this is a stunning story! Seems to prove there IS something essential behind HCB's credo of the decisive moment !! 😉
Best,
Bertram
 
Henri Cartier-Bresson

Wow, everyone has made such incredible points here!

Ted, your comment about HCB waiting for someone to flit through is very interesting. I had always imagined HCB just walking along, minding his own business, and then quick as lightining snapping a photo which later ends up in MOMA New York. Anyway; I think the point is being aware enough to capture a moment at its best composition. Adams did this in nature slowly, HCB with people. Fast or slowly. But HCB, to some, embodied the life they wanted: French, intellectual and trotting the globe while meditating. Inspires me to gain a more thorough understanding of the effect photography has had on the world art market.

bertram: yeah- the art market. There's a great scene in the film "Cradle Will Rock" where J. Nelson Rockefeller and some other swag say "we shall decide who shall be art and who shall not" due to their experience with Diego Rivera. But in HCB's case, when you read the history, so much of his fame was due to multiple circumstances, Robert Capa/magnum, and truly being in the "right" place at the right time. Thought I'm not sure if I would include his time as a POW.

Today's contemporaries, mentioned earlier such as James Nachtway, seem to follow the philosophy as close or closer then HCB. Their imagery today is just as vital. but now I'm rambling....

Good exciting points by all!

chris
canonetc
 
canonetc said:
But in HCB's case, when you read the history, so much of his fame was due to multiple circumstances, Robert Capa/magnum, and truly being in the "right" place at the right time. Thought I'm not sure if I would include his time as a POW.

Today's contemporaries, mentioned earlier such as James Nachtway, seem to follow the philosophy as close or closer then HCB.
chris
canonetc

Chris ,
Nachtwey is more a modern Capa IMO than a grandson of HCB but the spirit of Magnum lives on, there are still superb photographers gathering in that Holy Grail even if photojournalism today is something very different from what it had been in the times of HCB. Martin Parr for example , I like his stuff !
Had been a nice discussion, was a bit afraid at first if all would find it boring..
Best,
Bertram
 
Allegedly, when M.Parr had been nominated for Magnum, HCB said to him, "You are from an entirely different planet than I." Big shake up. But yeah his work is trrrripppy. I read he shot with a Mamiya 6 or PLaubel 67 and a ring-flash for his more famous saturated British folks photos.

Nachtway as Capa, sure, without the schmooze factor. James has a different purpose and mode of life. The film "war photographer" is a gritty and unglamorous documentary worth seeing. "Inferno" is a book worth having. Funny thing is that today I meet many students who have never heard of HCB but want to break all the current molds of photography through digital. Some make great work, others......well.....pretty graphics! I think digital is presenting a new ethical/moral/philosophical challenge in some ways...but this leads to the old "what is art and what is truth?" or "what makes a photograph?" discussion.... Cheers Bertram!

chris
canonetc
 
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