erikhaugsby
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So what would make you switch to Nikon for NFL games when you admit you like your Canon? Is is just this one isolated incident, or does Nikon offer something more for football?Chaser said:
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Ben & Jerry's Half Baked. Or Vermonty Python. Trust me, that's some real scoop of goodness.arbib said:
erikhaugsby
killer of threads
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Gabriel M.A. said:
Cherry Garcia is the real scoop. You gotta love the names Ben & Jerry came up with though.
gb hill
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Maybe the NFL should come up with a crash test. Have their biggest running backs to run into the sidelines and cream right into dummies holding a Canon and Nikon dslr's to see how they hold up. The one that still works wins.
Oh and some of the running backs wear Reebocks & others wear Nikes to make it fair.
Oh and some of the running backs wear Reebocks & others wear Nikes to make it fair.Tuolumne
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dexdog said:
I think you're missing the whole point. Making news people wear a logo that endorses one product over another gives the appearance of compromising their objectivity. That's the issue. No one should be able to sell the impratiallity of those who cover the news. It is scurrilous.
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Matthew Allen
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Tuolumne said:
Pro sports aren't news, they're theatre.
But I agree with your point.Speaking of backwards compatibility, Pentax beats all other manufacturers in this respect. Just a shame they haven't had anything that competes in the pro market since the LX. The K10D is very appealing (no I don't have one, I use the humble but excellent *ist DL) but so far there's nothing higher up the ladder to aspire to.
Matthew
arbib
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Gabriel M.A. said:
Yes, Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream....Yummmmm
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
give up my IIS2 and 50/1.5 ?
never!
never!
amateriat
We're all light!
To further parse this: The Canon breech-lock mount dates back to the FL (stop-down metering) series following the original Canonflex of 1960. This mount survived the full-aperture metering FD series (which was where I came in, buying my first SLR, a new F-1, in 1975), and the "ringless" FD mount in the 80s. Then they P.O.'d all of us when they switched to the EF mount for the AF cameras, leaving us to forever wonder what the hell that "Reserved Pin" on the back of all those FD lenses would ever be used for.erikhaugsby said:
Canon strikes me these days as a lot like Microsoft...with the exception that, I must grudgingly admit, Canon's products actually perform as advertised.
Of course, these days, SLRs are so 20th-Century for me...
- Barrett
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ruben
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Tuolumne said:
Not shooting Canon gear anymore is not a realistic answer, unless you are a Nikon shooter trying to tease your competitor brand. Too many folks are heavily invested in Canon gear, and they are not the target, nor it is clear wether the initiative comes form Canon or from NFL.
The last thing I would advice here is for us to make this thread as Canon vs Nikon.
But Canon shooters at NFL and world wide could show their protest by covering the canon logos on their cameras with a black tape. Nikon and Olympus shooters can join as to show their support.
Sports photographers ARE representatives of freedom of the press for multiple and obvious reasons. Among them they should be non partysan of what they see and reproduce, then because many of them do a lot of other genres within their newspapers, which they represent everywhere. At any sport game anything can happen and photographers there will be those telling the visual story.
Cheers,
Ruben
PS:
"Are you a NIkon or a Canon shooter" ? do you remember this silly entitled thread ?
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wlewisiii
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Wes, Barrett is correct. I have a big bag of Canon FD & FL glass sitting next to me and all three (FL, Breech lock FD & New FD) mount just fine on my FtbN & T-90. In theory you can use both types of FD lenses on FL mount cameras if you are willing to sacrifice the improvements...
The spring loaded ring is great in the dark too. Just push the lens on and when it's in place it starts to lock for you.
Now as for the OP, knowing the idjits at the NFL, you can be certain that they decided about one camera type & put it up to auction. These are the same people that require a head coach to have special permission from the commissioner to wear a suit insead of an avertising jersey on the sidelines during a game.
So 1) don't blame Canon and 2) don't mistake pro sports coverage for journalism.
William
The spring loaded ring is great in the dark too. Just push the lens on and when it's in place it starts to lock for you.
Now as for the OP, knowing the idjits at the NFL, you can be certain that they decided about one camera type & put it up to auction. These are the same people that require a head coach to have special permission from the commissioner to wear a suit insead of an avertising jersey on the sidelines during a game.
So 1) don't blame Canon and 2) don't mistake pro sports coverage for journalism.
William
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NIKON KIU
Did you say Nippon Kogaku
ywenz said:
Wait for about a month bud!
I am waiting to see what Nikon will throw in the field.
Kiu
Tuolumne
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I can only say how relieved I am that I have never been a football fan and never watch football games. Those guys are going to Hell in a hand basket.
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dmr
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Tuolumne said:
You obviously have never lived in Nebraska. It's an addiction. It's the official state religion!
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27473&d=1148386052
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SimonPG
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Outrageous. A sure way to turn off your customers! But who does the NFL think it is anyway?
Here, down under, our sports shooters would all turn up with NIKON logos just to make a point. On the back they would probably wear signs saying "NFL get stuffed!"
Well as an outsider I can say for sure that such attempts here to force advertising would have the whole country kicking the league to death.
Sorry, but as "they" say: Only in the US of A!
Here, down under, our sports shooters would all turn up with NIKON logos just to make a point. On the back they would probably wear signs saying "NFL get stuffed!"
Well as an outsider I can say for sure that such attempts here to force advertising would have the whole country kicking the league to death.
Sorry, but as "they" say: Only in the US of A!
dexdog
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Tuolumne said:
Not missing the point, just disagree. How important is objectivity for a photographer covering a football game, anyway? It's not like photos of a football game are important news. The photographers are looking for outstanding photos of the action, and do not have a lot to say about the images that are published. Does anyone really think that the pictures would be any different if the photographer was not wearing the Canon jacket, or wearing a different jacket?
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dexdog
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Tuolumne said:
I gave up watching football in 1986, after the players' strike. I was too disgusted by the greed of both players and management to continue watching. I have been enoying my TV-free Sundays ever since.
ywenz
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Tuolumne said:
The difference here is impartiality of the story being reported with the "perceived" impartiality of the equipment a photographer uses. Those are two very different things and the latter has no connection to their work integrity.
BTW, these sports photogs are not journalists in the normal sense.. Do not confuse sport "games" coverage with news coverage.
People, think of the situation like this: The NFL is requiring all NFL photogs to wear official press vest. One of the logo on the clothing is a Canon logo. <-- what is the big Deal? Canon paid the price to be a sponsor and the NFL has to provide them the benefits agreed to as a paid sponsor. It's business 101. Would it make some people happy if the vest was plastered with the logo of every current camera manufacture? Would that give the feeling of ease and that the deed is righteous? Not everything in the world is fair - this is fact one has to accept.
Get a load of the new LA Galaxy jersey with the prominent HerbaLife logo.. who coincidentally became a sponsor of the Galaxies after Beckham signed with the team. Should we start a new thread to bash Herbalife? Ooo I see Adidas logo on there too, but where is nike and rebook!? Whhy they oughttaa.....!
If anyone wants stop wasting his time and get the perspective from people who actually work out there and not a bunch of wanna be idealists like us, read the response to this new vest here:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=25683
This guy says it like it is:
"The (press) credentials are hard enough to get, and truth be told, the (NFL team) owners could slap $5,000 price tags on them and be sold out in most markets in 20 minutes or less. We are walking in someone else's home and making our bread off of their product."
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Tuolumne
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ywenz said:The difference here is impartiality of the story being reported with the "perceived" impartiality of the equipment a photographer uses. Those are two very different things and the latter has no connection to their work integrity.
BTW, these sports photogs are not journalists in the normal sense.. Do not confuse sport "games" coverage with news coverage.
People, think of the situation like this: The NFL is requiring all NFL photogs to wear official press vest. One of the logo on the clothing is a Canon logo. <-- what is the big Deal? Canon paid the price to be a sponsor and the NFL has to provide them the benefits agreed to as a paid sponsor. It's business 101. Would it make some people happy if the vest was plastered with the logo of every current camera manufacture? Would that give the feeling of ease and that the deed is righteous? Not everything in the world is fair - this is fact one has to accept.
Get a load of the new LA Galaxy jersey with the prominent HerbaLife logo.. who coincidentally became a sponsor of the Galaxies after Beckham signed with the team. Should we start a new thread to bash Herbalife? Ooo I see Adidas logo on there too, but where is nike and rebook!? Whhy they oughttaa.....!
If anyone wants stop wasting his time and get the perspective from people who actually work out there and not a bunch of wanna be idealists like us, read the response to this new vest here:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=25683
This guy says it like it is:
"The (press) credentials are hard enough to get, and truth be told, the (NFL team) owners could slap $5,000 price tags on them and be sold out in most markets in 20 minutes or less. We are walking in someone else's home and making our bread off of their product."
ywenz,
You seem to be rather selective in picking the few responses that support your view. How about this one from the NPPA (National Press Photographers Association):
"The majority of photographers covering these games do so as one part of their jobs as photojournalists. They have a need and a desire to maintain a certain level of integrity and independence that is not tainted by being perceived as spokespersons for a commercial entity," Overman wrote. "Those photographers do not have a choice about wearing the vests because covering the games is a part of their job. By doing so they should not be forced to become walking advertisements. Whether working on behalf of a news/sports organization or as a freelancer, this new requirement is a violation of the most basic ethical standards in journalism. In the spirit of mutual respect and cooperation I urge you to reconsider this ill-conceived policy."
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