Bryan Lee
Expat Street Photographer
Harry Lime said:
I thought he used a Leica! 😀
Hey that Sigma DP1 is officially announced
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I thought he used a Leica! 😀
Bill58
Native Texan
I can't get too excited about it--I recall that SIGMA in some circles stands for SIgnificant MAlfunction.
pvdhaar
Peter
See, even HCB had a lens faster than f4 😀Harry Lime said:
Bryan Lee
Expat Street Photographer
Trius said:
Nobody suggested this camera could replace a Large Format Film Camera. It was a size comparison to show some scale and written in that context alone.
Personaly Im glad the thing is ugly, I wish I could ugly up all my gear for that matter as gears shinyness atracts unwanted attention and screams pro photographer which in my location gets hands coming out for money. It also atracts 2 kinds of thieves, government ones who want tea money and your general crackhead types who see your gear bag as a ticket heaven.
The latest information I came up with says they intend this camera to perform as a DSLR and from my understanding the engine they chose for the sensor has enough power to out perform many of the consumer model DSLRs currently on the market. The concept alone is what has me excited and I look forward to others like even Cosina going for it. While this paticuler camera may end up being a dog like some posters have suggested, Somhow I fully expect SIGMA to get it together and give us a new photographic tool just like they promised. For that matter if this 28mm passes my test I will purchase 2 of them and if they produced it with a 50mm lens I would buy two more to go with them.
Terao
Kiloran
Sigma UK are hoping that this camera will street in 6-8 weeks after the SD-14 ships so expect it early May. Expecting it to be around £400 (i.e. Ricoh GR-D ballpark)
Solinar
Analog Preferred
Harry Lime said:
If Henri was shooting Agfa film during the 1930's, he definitely shot some B/W film that would be ISO 25 and 50 today.
iml
Well-known
But I bet if faster film and lenses had been available, he would have used them...
Ian
Ian
Solinar
Analog Preferred
Trius said:
I don't see many cameras period that can replace a large format view camera for landscape and fine portraiture.
Trius, at this point we all have gathered that you'll be definitely taking a pass on the Stigma DP1.
It ain't going to be just the looks or the f/4 factor, in this case it will be the price that sends the masses running for the exits. Especially when equipped with the optional viewfinder, I seriously doubt that the DP1 will be under $700,.
That said, if Stigma, which is Nikon terminology for Sigma, manages to get the noise levels on this 4.7 megapixel sensor down to the levels of what my $500 Nikon D-50 body is capable of, I will be definitely interested trying one out.
The deal breakers will be, if the lens falls down on the job at f/4 or the menu system is a royal pain in the rear end.
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
Bill58 said:
Except that unlike a more reputable brand we all know, when issues were found by beta testers on their SD14, they delayed the release and sorted out the problems BEFORE getting people's money 😛
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
Terao said:
If the lens is comparable in quality to the one in my Minolta TC-1, and the street price is around £400 , and the thing can be properly pre-focused, I am definitely going to get one.
roundg
Well-known
I have to say NO. For prime lens, I already have too many. The only reason for me to get a digital system is its high convienence and support to flash system in some case I have to use.
DP1 just can't offer me anything interesting.
DP1 just can't offer me anything interesting.
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
Solinar said:
I think from the noise point of view you'll be disappointed, if you look at how the foveon sensor behaves on the SD14 you will see that ISO 1600 is not too good, probaby comparable to ISO 3200 on my Canon 20D.
It seems to be quite well known that while FOVEON can outperform CMOS and CCD sensors at low ISO, it is not as good in low light, however I still expect it to significantly outperform the tiny sensor on the GRD even at high ISO.
Of course we will see how far off the mark are our speculations when DPReview tests the thing, the question for me is: have I got the patience to wait for a review before buying it?
Bike Tourist
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Here's a different take on the DP1:
http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default
You may have to scroll down a little. I didn't see this mentioned before in this thread unless I missed it.
http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default
You may have to scroll down a little. I didn't see this mentioned before in this thread unless I missed it.
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Solinar
Analog Preferred
Ian, if it performs as well as my D50 at ISO 400 and ISO 800. 800 is acceptable for a 5x7 print, that the DP1 will do.
I believe, but I could be wrong, that shooting in RAW mode at these ISO's should be doable and the results cleaner than in camera jpg processing. I can live with a 5 to 7 second write speed in RAW.
I believe, but I could be wrong, that shooting in RAW mode at these ISO's should be doable and the results cleaner than in camera jpg processing. I can live with a 5 to 7 second write speed in RAW.
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fgianni
Trainee Amateur
Solinar said:
I do agree except for one thing, I'd like the raw writing time to be at least as good as the one on my DMC-LX1. I only shoot raw, and I don't like to have to wait silly times between shots.
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
Andrew: Well, I'll just march off in a huff! 😉 Actually, in my first post I mentioned the price tag as a definite problem for what the camera may be, so we agree on that. 😀
FWIW, if the DP-1 were to have really good sensor performance at a better price, I could go for it, design/look aside. A 28mm equivalent FOV for street/scene/inside-interior shooting would be attractive for me in a digicam.
Whether I take a pass or not, I do hope it's a success. The digital photography world needs as much variety of tools as we can get. There's a lot of sameness out there.
FWIW, if the DP-1 were to have really good sensor performance at a better price, I could go for it, design/look aside. A 28mm equivalent FOV for street/scene/inside-interior shooting would be attractive for me in a digicam.
Whether I take a pass or not, I do hope it's a success. The digital photography world needs as much variety of tools as we can get. There's a lot of sameness out there.
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
Trius said:
Assuming the camera delivers what it promises (big assumption I know) I feel a price tag of $1000 would be acceptable.
SteveM(PA)
Poser
Interesting to me that in the PMA video on this page, the interviewer refers to the camera as a "rangefinder" and "for enthusiasts" and the Sigma rep does not protest. 🙂
http://www.imaging-resource.com/EVENTS/PMAS07/PMAS07VIDEO.HTML#vid38
While on this page, also check out those cool Berlebach ash wood tripods. Oooooh...🙂
http://www.imaging-resource.com/EVENTS/PMAS07/PMAS07VIDEO.HTML#vid38
While on this page, also check out those cool Berlebach ash wood tripods. Oooooh...🙂
RayPA
Ignore It (It'll go away)
Don't most AF systems use a form of rangefinder focusing(?), so technically...
🙂
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pvdhaar
Peter
Active IR autofocus systems actually do.. it's a sort of telemetry and therefor can be argued to count as rangefinders.RayPA said:
But all the digital point and shoots that I'm aware of, judge focus by checking for maximum contrast on the CCD. Not much different from ground glass focussing on a viewcamera..
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