Hi everyone I need your opinions on my newly purchased M4P

Rob-F said:
Actually, yes. I agree with that.
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To be fair, this is my conclusion having bought a mint M4 after already owning and using a very nice M2. There is really no comparison. The M4 is engineering excellence, but the M2 is spectacular.

To the OP, good luck with the return and enjoy the replacement, whatever you choose.

Cheers,

J 🙂
 
Hmmm, yes, but the problem is finding a nice M2, M4 or M4P. In a nutshell that means going to a decent dealer and finding one with a guarantee, testing it with a film and then relaxing or getting it repaired...

Here's an alternative, if you like the look and feel of the one you have in your hands; go back and complain and suggests he/she pays for the repair. The advantage is that it gets looked at by a technician and completely sorted out. And - I hope - guaranteed.

You are then in the same position you'd be in if you'd returned it and found (eventually) another nice one. The cost in money and time I'll leave to you to decide once the seller has responded etc.


Regards, David
 
cz594240300 said:
Surprised to meet you here 🙂

For everyone else, this gentleman is absolutely trustworthy🙂
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Thank you! It was a nice surprise seeing you here, too! Anyway, I'm sorry to hear about your problems with the M4-P. You should definitely return it. And you shouldn't hurry buying a new body. In my experience, the more relaxed you are when looking for something, the better the deal. But the second-hand market is full of dishonest sellers. I remember that a couple of years ago, a good friend of mine asked me to buy him a Rolleiflex camera. He wasn't particular about a model, he just wanted a good user camera. I bought the first one and I had to return it (one could barely see through the lens - whether it was fungus or haze or something else, I cannot tell). The second one did not work (I believe it suffered from light leaks) and had to return it as well. I then convinced him to abandon the idea of looking for a cheap Rolleiflex camera and instead focus on a good condition Rolleicord camera. I eventually bought one and it worked well for some 6 months or so and then developed a severe problem with the film transport. What I'm trying to say is that getting classic cameras in good working condition is increasingly hard. The ones in good working condition are usually not for sale, I'm afraid. People hang on to them - and rightly so. If you have good working M4, what good can it do to you a second similar camera? I know they are lovely contraptions, but nothing more. You have a good camera, enjoy it. Keep your cash and maybe in one year, or in two years, you'll find a better deal from someone who you trust.


Please forgive me for playing the wise one. I'm not. In fact, what I wrote above is what I try to convince myself of each day.


Regards,
Alex
 
alexandru_voicu said:
Thank you! It was a nice surprise seeing you here, too! Anyway, I'm sorry to hear about your problems with the M4-P. You should definitely return it. And you shouldn't hurry buying a new body. In my experience, the more relaxed you are when looking for something, the better the deal. But the second-hand market is full of dishonest sellers. I remember that a couple of years ago, a good friend of mine asked me to buy him a Rolleiflex camera. He wasn't particular about a model, he just wanted a good user camera. I bought the first one and I had to return it (one could barely see through the lens - whether it was fungus or haze or something else, I cannot tell). The second one did not work (I believe it suffered from light leaks) and had to return it as well. I then convinced him to abandon the idea of looking for a cheap Rolleiflex camera and instead focus on a good condition Rolleicord camera. I eventually bought one and it worked well for some 6 months or so and then developed a severe problem with the film transport. What I'm trying to say is that getting classic cameras in good working condition is increasingly hard. The ones in good working condition are usually not for sale, I'm afraid. People hang on to them - and rightly so. If you have good working M4, what good can it do to you a second similar camera? I know they are lovely contraptions, but nothing more. You have a good camera, enjoy it. Keep your cash and maybe in one year, or in two years, you'll find a better deal from someone who you trust.


Please forgive me for playing the wise one. I'm not. In fact, what I wrote above is what I try to convince myself of each day.


Regards,
Alex
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Words of wisdom right here. I was patient and made a bid on a Leica M3 for $550. Somehow I ended up winning with no one else making a bid. When I won and received my camera I literally cried.
 
alexandru_voicu said:
Thank you! It was a nice surprise seeing you here, too! Anyway, I'm sorry to hear about your problems with the M4-P. You should definitely return it. And you shouldn't hurry buying a new body. In my experience, the more relaxed you are when looking for something, the better the deal. But the second-hand market is full of dishonest sellers. I remember that a couple of years ago, a good friend of mine asked me to buy him a Rolleiflex camera. He wasn't particular about a model, he just wanted a good user camera. I bought the first one and I had to return it (one could barely see through the lens - whether it was fungus or haze or something else, I cannot tell). The second one did not work (I believe it suffered from light leaks) and had to return it as well. I then convinced him to abandon the idea of looking for a cheap Rolleiflex camera and instead focus on a good condition Rolleicord camera. I eventually bought one and it worked well for some 6 months or so and then developed a severe problem with the film transport. What I'm trying to say is that getting classic cameras in good working condition is increasingly hard. The ones in good working condition are usually not for sale, I'm afraid. People hang on to them - and rightly so. If you have good working M4, what good can it do to you a second similar camera? I know they are lovely contraptions, but nothing more. You have a good camera, enjoy it. Keep your cash and maybe in one year, or in two years, you'll find a better deal from someone who you trust.


Please forgive me for playing the wise one. I'm not. In fact, what I wrote above is what I try to convince myself of each day.


Regards,
Alex
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Thank you Alex🙂
 
David Hughes said:
Hmmm, yes, but the problem is finding a nice M2, M4 or M4P. In a nutshell that means going to a decent dealer and finding one with a guarantee, testing it with a film and then relaxing or getting it repaired...

Here's an alternative, if you like the look and feel of the one you have in your hands; go back and complain and suggests he/she pays for the repair. The advantage is that it gets looked at by a technician and completely sorted out. And - I hope - guaranteed.

You are then in the same position you'd be in if you'd returned it and found (eventually) another nice one. The cost in money and time I'll leave to you to decide once the seller has responded etc.


Regards, David
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Yes but at the price he paid for what appears to me a major repair (RF prism) it's not worth it in this case. If you want to go this route look for a camera listed as is, in nice cosmetic condition with the issue(s) listed. You can you usually get this at a good price. I've done this, had the camera shipped straight to Ye Youxin, and ended up with a nice camera.
 
Hi,


My comments followed this "I got this m4P for £700, together with a not very accurate but working MR4( I can calibrate it). The prism can be rebuild here(UK) and the overall cost is still acceptable".


And I reckon having a camera in your hands to look at and check is worth something, like a discount as it were.


Regards, David
 
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Personally I wouldn't get anything repaired if sold to me at a price that is close to market. I bought a dual range Summicron last year for a sensible Goldilocks price, which had a fault with the close range goggles. I get quotes from a repairer and the seller agreed to give me the money to do it. Seven months later it is still with the repairers who are having a devils own job sorting it.

Even if no problems the lead times now on most work on Leicas particularly could easily go into half years and upwards. Which takes you well past the protections of Ebay or indeed, consumer law if further issues are found. So I just send everything with undeclared faults back, and wait for something to turn up. So far, it's worked.
 
Just some updates, this seller is so clumsy, check the image he send me as his defence...
Can you guys believe those are same camera?
Return filed, though he'll definitely turn it down. Chatted with ebay already, will ask them to step in when he refused the request.
The 'you' here refers to the seller.

He claimed the camera is 100% okay and send me the image above...

I'll spend more time to google a m4p with similar screw orientation, if I were a crook.
 
Unfortunately I do not see any pics, just a small square box.

When I have a return with ebay, I never contact the seller outside the return process. Ebay guarantees the purchase because in the old days some sellers would claim one thing, mention No Returns, and ship junk.
 
cz594240300 said:
Just some updates, this seller is so clumsy, check the image he send me as his defence...
Can you guys believe those are same camera?
Return filed, though he'll definitely turn it down. Chatted with ebay already, will ask them to step in when he refused the request.
The 'you' here refers to the seller.

He claimed the camera is 100% okay and send me the image above...

I'll spend more time to google a m4p with similar screw orientation, if I were a crook.
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Not that you should need to but try a reverse image search and you might be able to find where he got that other picture from. Even without the difference in the screw it is obvious it was a different photographer taking the shot. Much better lighting and a different background.

Shawn
 
Beemermark said:
File a claim stating "not as described". Don't even bother with seller
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cz594240300 said:
Just some updates, this seller is so clumsy, check the image he send me as his defence...
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Not sure why you are even wasting your time communicating with the seller. Just file a "not as described" claim with eBay and be done with it. eBay will do all the hard work for you.
 
Stop wasting your time with the seller. A lot of scammers will engage you in conversation until the return limit ends. Just get with eBay and get your money back. Once he sees that he doesn’t have a choice he may offer to split the difference and give you money. Ack for repair or just give you all your money back.
 
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