Canon LTM hopeless n hapless

[Thardy]

Let's say someone pointed Ron here for advice about his camera. He finds the search function and types in something like "Stuck, Iris, canonet". This is what you get.

http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/search.php?searchid=901003


It's not exactly like the search function on Pnet.

 

[leif e]

why I not ...

why I not ...

Airds, you just explained something to me - or maybe it was just a reminder: the reason why I don´t spend so much time on RFF as I used to. Hostility.
leif e

 

[peterm1]

Maybe I am out of line here, but forums work if everyone is civil. They die if they gain a reputation for having contributors who are dismissive towards others less knowledgeable than themselves or who transgress our unwritten rules and expectations. No matter how knowledgeable they happen to be people regard you in a less than favourable light if you respond in a short, abrupt or sarcastic way.

In fact, every time I hear such a response this is who it reminds me of:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png

The comic book guy out of the Siimpsons who is renowned for his sarcasm towards anyone who does not share his encyclopedic knowledge of some aspect of his area of specialisation. Not particularly a pleasant image and that may not be what posters here are really like........ but still I cannot get that damned image out of my head!

Please, all I am suggesting is that we each exhibit tolerance and politeness in tone especially to newbies. I was previously using another forum but eventually gave it up solely because too many posters on that forum began to adopt an uncivil tone with each other. I would hate that to happen here too as this is a pretty good forum in terms of its level of activity and contribution.

 

[Brennotdan]

The cupcake recipe was an attempt at comic relief. Since I am a newbie as well I am reluctant to help, but I can summarize what I have learned from here and other websites so far:

A CLA for this type of camera will cost $70-$100 plus shipping. You could probably find a CLA'd canonet for around $50. What I would do -Check the classifieds here, they pop up from time to time.

If you want to have a go at it yourself, you really have nothing to lose, except your camera...which you very well might. The tools alone will cost close to what you would pay for a canonet in the classifieds here.

As for ebay, I second the opinion that you should not buy a camera from there- it's just not worth it. I have had 50% luck with ebay and now I own a number of cameras, all needing light seals and rangefinder cleaning and adjustment. These jobs seem common enough to warrant the time and tools required.

Okay, so here is a list or resources:

Ed Romney's "revised basic training in camera repair"
The repair forum
http://www.mattdentonphoto.com/cameras/canonet_repair.html

I hope that helps, and welcome to the forum

 

[back alley]

and in case some of you missed it from earlier posts and frequent discussions...the rff search function is not working properly despite attempts at fixing it.

welcome ron, don't let the curmudgeons get to you.
joe

 

[airds]

Airds, you just explained something to me - or maybe it was just a reminder: the reason why I don´t spend so much time on RFF as I used to. Hostility.
leif e

Leif

Hostility ??

One more time.

I provided a good link to help ron1945.

And suggested if he was 'hapless' - HIS description coming from HIS message title -'hopeless n hapless', not to try the repair, as his camera could be easily ruined. Which would have been understood if he had read the article.

Only he can decide if he is or isn't happless ie has the skills, experience and tools, etc to attempt the repair after reading it. And then I get his reply about having not having a sense of humour?

Then I suggest he search (unknown to me to be broken) for similar frequently posted articles of which they are plenty here ...... and we get a reply with a load of non understandable, mispelt guff cliches?

( .... helpful and tolarent people! patience is a virtue hope to someone on this question with some soon i am typing this slow in case you dont read that fast. sorry about your sense of humour laughter is the best cure)


Personally, I would have been studying the kyphoto.com repair article and looking through this forum for these earlier repair messages, as advised.

And then I get accused of hostility by yourself?
Oh and remind me, just where do I find your messages trying to help ron1945, as I don't quite see them?

 

[rxmd]

Hi,

Let's say someone pointed Ron here for advice about his camera. He finds the search function and types in something like "Stuck, Iris, canonet". This is what you get.

http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/search.php?searchid=901003

I'm one of those that criticised the utterly broken search function repeatedly and suggested a potential solution (that was then conveniently ignored, but never mind). But in this case the search function actually works, to some extent. If you type in "canonet iris stuck" you get this:

http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/search.php?searchid=901588

Which is of course utterly useless because it returns any post containing "canonet", "iris" and/or "stuck". But if you go to "advanced search" and type in the same query and limit it to the Canon RF forum you get this:

http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/search.php?searchid=901576&pp=25

There are some useful results in there. So by slimming down the search to a subforum related to your problem, you might eventually hit upon something useful. The problem with that is, of course, that due to forum inflation, it's becoming somewhat unclear in which forum to look for a given solution; in this case there are at least five forums where one might want to look ("Canon RF", "Fixed Lens RF", "Repair/Camera Care", "Fixed Lens Camera Repair", "Gen Camera Care & Maint"). Also the search function only goes back a limited amount of time. Still, by tinkering around with it a little bit you may be lucky and find what you're looking for.

Philipp

 

[Kim Coxon]

Back to original question. 😉

I would be wary of going in through the back. On the face of it, it does seem simpler but there are problems. Unless you have access to a lens spanner with changeable tips and have the right ones, you will need to make yourself a special tool. Loosening the lens group is relatively easy but the group can be difficult to take out dur to the baffles. It can be "dropped" out. The difficulty comes when you try to replace it without causing any damage to it and not getting marks all over it.

Normally, I prefer to go in through the front. It seems more complicated but is not that difficult. You may still need to make a couple of tools but this is simpler. It is much easier to keep everything clean. Much will depend on the model but in the later "small" models, the front elements are in 2 groups. Quite often these will come out as a "pair". In this case you are lucky and it is relatively easy. If they split, you will either have to use Jon Goodman's solution of making two small indents in the second group to remove it or to make a special tool which will fit around the outside. If this happens, let me know and I will point you in the right direction.

Kim

thanks for all the kind replys blades look dry stuck at small aperture guess ill have to trust my fumbling fingers and try to take out rear element tnx again

 

[ron1945]

thanks again everyone ill have a long study of info given . airds stay calm im sorry i asked the question at all now! oh its an early canonet no batts.

 

[Kim Coxon]

I would still go in through the front. It is easier that way on both the early and large models. I have the complete Canonet repair manual which also covers these so if you need any specific diagrams, drop me a line.

Kim

thanks again everyone ill have a long study of info given . airds stay calm im sorry i asked the question at all now! oh its an early canonet no batts.

 

[kb244]

We've have also been asked other questions LOTS of times.

Nikkor 5cm/1.4 vs Canon 50/14, Canon P vs Canon 7, Canon 7 vs Canon 7s, Leica M4-Ps quality vs the "real" old Ms and so on........With LOTS of answear, and the answear is for the most very friendly.

But of course this type of questions are a LOT more interesting than an malfuntion QL17.

*cough* .... hides slowly... :angel:

 

[kb244]

Course you can do what I do sometimes

Goto google.com , then type in your search terms followed by "site:www.rangefinderforum.com" it'll return only results on RFF matching the search criteria. Sometimes google's search ability works better than the forum's

Hi,


I'm one of those that criticised the utterly broken search function repeatedly and suggested a potential solution (that was then conveniently ignored, but never mind). But in this case the search function actually works, to some extent. If you type in "canonet iris stuck" you get this:

http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/search.php?searchid=901588

Which is of course utterly useless because it returns any post containing "canonet", "iris" and/or "stuck". But if you go to "advanced search" and type in the same query and limit it to the Canon RF forum you get this:

http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/search.php?searchid=901576&pp=25

There are some useful results in there. So by slimming down the search to a subforum related to your problem, you might eventually hit upon something useful. The problem with that is, of course, that due to forum inflation, it's becoming somewhat unclear in which forum to look for a given solution; in this case there are at least five forums where one might want to look ("Canon RF", "Fixed Lens RF", "Repair/Camera Care", "Fixed Lens Camera Repair", "Gen Camera Care & Maint"). Also the search function only goes back a limited amount of time. Still, by tinkering around with it a little bit you may be lucky and find what you're looking for.

Philipp

 

[rxmd]

Course you can do what I do sometimes

That's what I do all the time already. It's kind of embarassing though. And it feels stupid.

There's a tiny little software solution for the vBulletin board software that gives a site-wide Google search box in the "Search" pull-down menu. The XML file is something around 2 kB. That way at least you wouldn't have to surf to another site just to do elementary searches on RFF. In addition, you can get some ad revenue for the site from Google for the Google ads they place next to CSE search results, which would help pay for RFF hosting.

Philipp

 

[kb244]

That's what I do all the time already. It's kind of embarassing though. And it feels stupid.

Not sure why it would be embarrassing or stupid. If it is effective in accomplishing the task, then its just practical. (I perhaps am missing a running joke about 'googling it', perhaps my software developer background prohibits me from understanding how it's embarrassing.)

There's a tiny little software solution for the vBulletin board software that gives a site-wide Google search box in the "Search" pull-down menu. The XML file is something around 2 kB. That way at least you wouldn't have to surf to another site just to do elementary searches on RFF. In addition, you can get some ad revenue for the site from Google for the Google ads they place next to CSE search results, which would help pay for RFF hosting.

Philipp

They might have a plugin for vBulliten as you said, but you could already do that with Google Adsense, just instead of creating a banner code, you just tell it you want to make a search bar code and fill out the basic information. With that you can easily add a link into the VB template. But the downside is that you might be spending the next 3 weeks looking at the ads that comes up and having to add them one by one to your "competitive ad filters", also you don't have much control over what 'other' content gets returned in the search.

Besides anyone with firefox or similar can type in search right on top of the browser and still use the same syntax.

 

[rxmd]

Not sure why it would be embarrassing or stupid.

It's embarassing to have a search function on your site and still have to tell users better not to use it, and it feels stupid to have to surf to another site just to do a basic function such as searching. Of course it's not much of a major inconvenience, but it's still a minus.

They might have a plugin for vBulliten as you said, but you could already do that with Google Adsense, just instead of creating a banner code, you just tell it you want to make a search bar code and fill out the basic information. With that you can easily add a link into the VB template.

I know. I proposed a couple of possible solutions to the search problem some time ago, and both your template solution and the vBulletin plugin were on the list.

But the downside is that you might be spending the next 3 weeks looking at the ads that comes up and having to add them one by one to your "competitive ad filters", also you don't have much control over what 'other' content gets returned in the search.

Well, given how with the present system Stephen Gandy himself recommended users to use Google instead of local search, and how users are thus going to look at those competitive ads and that "other content" anyway without any control over it, while the site loses potential revenue, I don't see where the potential downside is.

Philipp

 

[leif e]

Oh and remind me, just where do I find your messages trying to help ron1945, as I don't quite see them?

Airds!
The answer to that is very simple; I´m not qualified to help anyone in that matter. I love old camera´s but know next to nothing about their insides. I´ve had a lot of good help here, though! My point has ben stated already, so I´ll leave it at that.

leif e

 

[kb244]

Well, given how with the present system Stephen Gandy himself recommended users to use Google instead of local search, and how users are thus going to look at those competitive ads and that "other content" anyway without any control over it, while the site loses potential revenue, I don't see where the potential downside is.

Philipp

Mileage varies of course on who we're speaking of 😀 but in this case, yea I don't see "competitive" ads being a problem because people will stick to what they generally know to be quality. Also what risk is really involved when you have to still come back here to interact with such a community 😀

Far as the 'embarasing' bit, yea I can understand that, I guess I'm used to it because thus far it seems quite common for site's own search functionality to be weak at best so I don't really expect to many sites to be better at it.

Either way I'm hoping the original poster has got his answer as well as some tools to help himself based on the conversation in this thread.