dan_sutton
Member
Y'all can argue about your small format quandaries all you like. We large formatters just smile condescendingly at you with our more refined tastes and aesthetic. If only all my pictures weren't out of focus
MIkhail
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You've never been on certain photo.net forums or the Leica owners forums I take it?
In comparison, RFF is almost Victorian in the genteel behavior of it's membership. In comparison.
Never been on photo.net, but if you were to attend some Russian-speaking photo forums, you would came to the same conclusion, only 100 times faster
"Insults" here are simply romantic walk on a beach to a sunset, in comparison. Not that it's any excuse Those Russian speaking guys here will support me, no doubt ;-)
BillBingham2
Registered User
... can I interest you in a topless M2?
What a beautiful set of.....flash contacts.....yeah that's the ticket
The moderators work hard at watching for trolling. You can talk about your experiences with cameras, your impressions or why you pick this over that, but when it gets personal (read to a person, a group or class of people) that is where it crosses the line into Troll City. Passion about preferences is a wonderful thing. It is one of the things that make people interesting. Stepping on bodies to try and move yourself higher is something we try to stop (read we licensed to do the leg sweep thing), sometime we miss.
B2 (;->
Paul Luscher
Well-known
Well, I'll just add my two cents to this brouhaha:
1. "Live and let live."
2. "Variety is the spice of life."
3. "Different strokes for different folks."
Shoot both film and digital. Each has its place. And anyway, in the big picture, all of this is a tempest in a teapot. Whatever works.
1. "Live and let live."
2. "Variety is the spice of life."
3. "Different strokes for different folks."
Shoot both film and digital. Each has its place. And anyway, in the big picture, all of this is a tempest in a teapot. Whatever works.
Paul T.
Veteran
I agree with Roland - altho I don't feel the OP was aiming at him. I am in much the same position, I'd like an X100, think it's a great idea, but don't think in action it will actually make my Hexar redundant. Especially when I just got what, if memory serves, is my first newspaper check for photos, done with that camera.
Whether the X100 is actually as good as the Hexar is still a moot point. But I absolutely agree with the OP that there was a lot of negativity about the X100, because it's digital - and, quite possibly, because it's not a Leica.
NickTrop
Veteran
However, there is validity if I argued that it is a better value proposition than these cameras. As long as I have a:
1. Claim
2. Warrant
3. Backing
4. Qualifiers
- And follow the Toulmin model, it is vigourous debate. I can't debate you on your preference. But if you say X is "the" best, better than, what have you. That's an opening and it isn't trolling.
If you say or imply that Velvet Underground is your favorite band - no debate.
If you say Velvet Underground is the greatest band - that isn't a personal preference is certainly up for vigorous debate.
If you say outright or imply that the X100 is "da bestus camera for street photography" I would challenge that on its value proposition and that it's not "full frame" like my $39 thrift store point and shoot with similarly spec'd lens.
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Vilk
Established
Paul T.
Veteran
Isn't arguing one thing one moment, and then something completely different the next, while insisting that anyone who disagrees is deluded, trolling? Especially when it's done in such apocalyptic terms as to prevent debate?
Sparrow
Veteran
... a finger pointing contest?
Richard G
Veteran
I think this is a great forum and this thread has had some fine disucssion. I also felt the OP's reference to trolling struck a dischordant note: I cannot recall an instance of this here. The X100 hype was a little extraordinary and some dissenting views seemed reasonable. Having no DSLR myself I was looking forward to the X100 and would even order one unseen, which I rightly accept is an approach worthy of criticism. The sub forums here for SLRs, the high regard held here for the OM cameras all make for a very catholic (small c) attitude generally at RFF. I think some research into when and where analog was first used to describe film would be of some interest. The highlight of this thread so far is so obviously Stewart's orderly repair set up for his M2 - but I am just as interested to see a stripped down X100 or D3 on a member's work table.
dave lackey
Veteran
I disagree... IMHO,
the irrational market hype is just the puppet strings being pulled by Fuji. They know the market well and have worked this to perfection. THAT is why I do not like the constant barrage of "wow this, wow that"...hell, it is not even here yet. How many people realize they are being manipulated by a large corporation for profit?
It is just in my pesonality to not become a part of the masses. What is it, a defect or a brain injury, who knows?But, I am perfectly capable of using any camera I have to produce what my clients want... It is definitely not because the Fuji is not a Leica that I have no desire for an X100... it just doesn't fit for me.
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Sparrow
Veteran
I disagree... the irrational market hype is just the puppet strings being pulled by Fuji. They know the market well and have worked this to perfection. THAT is why I do not like the constant barrage of "wow this, wow that"...hell, it is not even here yet. How many people realize they are being manipulated by a large corporation for profit?
I am perfectly capable of using any camera I need to produce what my clients want... It is definitely not because the Fuji is not a Leica that I have no desire for an X100... it just doesn't fit for me.
We had brand ambassadors here? on rff!
I thought it was just coincidence that they all had 8 posts and joined in February ...pagpow
Well-known
Yo, this seems like an interesting thread, but I will know better after I have printed out all the posts and read them. I've been reviewing my posts on this forum lately and find that my hand-written notes give me more pleasure in the writing, something about the tactile feel of choosing a feather from the ducks in my back yard, sharpening the quill, mixing my ink, and then the real, I mean REAL feel of the pen laying down tracks on the paper. That and the fact that it s slower allows me to think through what I am going to say better -- so it is deeper, more correct, an organic part of me.
So, please send me your snail mail addresses because I am sure I will want to post a reply to the thread.:angel:
So, please send me your snail mail addresses because I am sure I will want to post a reply to the thread.:angel:
MikeL
Go Fish
KM-25
Well-known
Now this is just silly ( in my opinion ) a thread about threads that takes even more time away from you taking photographs. This is just one of the reasons I rarely frequent the internet forums anymore, it is talk about photography, not actual photography.
The reason I am so active lately is that I am really excited about what I will most likely be able to do with this new X100, along with all my other film and digital gear that is.
With that said, good luck on trying to change human behavior, nothing has worked yet...
The reason I am so active lately is that I am really excited about what I will most likely be able to do with this new X100, along with all my other film and digital gear that is.
With that said, good luck on trying to change human behavior, nothing has worked yet...
Paul T.
Veteran
I understand, perhaps agree with the second statement. But not the first.I disagree... IMHO,
the irrational market hype is just the puppet strings being pulled by Fuji....
I have no desire for an X100... it just doesn't fit for me.
People's enthusiasm for the camera is driven by valid reasons - large sensor, fast lens, a good viewfinder. Many people have been waiting years for this combination. TO dismiss their enthusiasm as passive acceptance of hype is... inaccurate.
Turtle
Veteran
Stuart, you have just ruined it for me. I won't be able to look at my Ms the same way knowing this is how ugly they are underneath that beautiful top plate.
PS I think the reason people attack things they are afriad of or find bizarre is because we have removed all the previous methods of coming to terms with things that scare us. I therefore suggest a healthy dose of bull fighting, bear baiting and canned lion hunting for those tempted to diss other people's cameras.
PS I think the reason people attack things they are afriad of or find bizarre is because we have removed all the previous methods of coming to terms with things that scare us. I therefore suggest a healthy dose of bull fighting, bear baiting and canned lion hunting for those tempted to diss other people's cameras.
... can I interest you in a topless M2?
MC JC86
Negative Nancy.
A reply about not liking threads about threads to a thread about a thread. Sweet. Hadron Super-Collider related?
string theory/thread theory whatever.
Multi-Tasking is a beautiful thing... so far all time spent today logged into RFF has been spent scanning negatives or developing film.
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Does anyone photograph every hour of every day?
rbiemer
Unabashed Amateur
Well, this has been entertaining on a dreary, cold afternoon.
I think the behavior John is talking about is not that unusual even in any other parts of the RFf; "answers" to questions that aren't close to the question asked.
I get it that conversations can and do wander and that sometimes the wandering gets to be very interesting and the original starting point doesn't matter so much.
But, when the responses are either missing the original point or claiming some presumed moral/artistic high ground they get a bit tiresome.
Rob
I think the behavior John is talking about is not that unusual even in any other parts of the RFf; "answers" to questions that aren't close to the question asked.
I get it that conversations can and do wander and that sometimes the wandering gets to be very interesting and the original starting point doesn't matter so much.
But, when the responses are either missing the original point or claiming some presumed moral/artistic high ground they get a bit tiresome.
Rob