Its no secret many internet pundits are predicting the M10 will be introduced by, or even before Photokina 2012 (Sept).
In other words, there will be a lot of used M9 and M9P's up for sale as their owners move on to the M10.
I can't help but wonder how low used M9 / M9P prices will go later this year.
Time will tell.
Stephen
In other words, there will be a lot of used M9 and M9P's up for sale as their owners move on to the M10.
I can't help but wonder how low used M9 / M9P prices will go later this year.
Time will tell.
Stephen
Ron (Netherlands)
Well-known
see how the M8.2 and M8 declined when the M9 arrived....write off is about USD 2500 - 3000
btw I'm currently offered a mint second hand M9-P at second hand M9 price... so prices are already going down
btw I'm currently offered a mint second hand M9-P at second hand M9 price... so prices are already going down
sepiareverb
genius and moron
I'd expect they'll hold a little better than the 8's did because of the FF sensor. But they'll come down a fair bit. They're already at $5K used and M8 prices haven't fallen a a lot further over the last year. $4000? $3750 maybe? Will also depend on the price of the M10!
thegman
Veteran
Maybe it will depend on the M10 itself, if it's a big step-up, then maybe it'll affect prices a lot. If it's a incremental update, or BW only, that's only going to appeal to a few.
dogberryjr
[Pithy phrase]
An M10 would have to have some impressive improvements over the M9 AND would need to be very well priced for me to even consider trading up. It's hard to take a $2,000 hit and also pay significantly more than the price of the M9 when new. I'll be interested to see what Leica comes up with.
Moriturii
Well-known
Impossible to answer, because we don't know the price of the M10. If it's the same as current M9 then prices of M9 will go down by anything from $500-$2000, depending on the functionality of the M10. If in true Leica fashion they sell it at $9000 because they know people will buy it, price on M9 won't change much if anything.
TL;DR: Impossible to say, there is no answer.
TL;DR: Impossible to say, there is no answer.
N
Nikon Bob
Guest
Hard to say, Leica has never introduced a new model that was as cheap as the last one even if much improved. Contrary to Nikon who are introducing the D800 at very close to what the D700 was introduced for. If the M10 is substantially higher in price then it may not effect used M9/M9P prices as much as anticipated. It is going to be interesting.
Bob
Bob
Roger Hicks
Veteran
For me, this falls into the ever-increasing category of things that I'll worry about when it happens.
What are we likely to be looking at? Better high ISO and more megapixels. There's not a lot else you can change and still leave it as an M. Well, barring B+W only, which I don't think is likely, but 'never say never'. If it is B+W only, I certainly wouldn't regard it as a 'trade up'.
Yes, I'd like better high ISO. Would I pay several thousand dollars for it? No, I don't think so. More megapixels? Likewise. But as others have said, there's so much we don't know, that most speculation is futile. I think I'll just go on taking pics with my M9.
Cheers,
R.
What are we likely to be looking at? Better high ISO and more megapixels. There's not a lot else you can change and still leave it as an M. Well, barring B+W only, which I don't think is likely, but 'never say never'. If it is B+W only, I certainly wouldn't regard it as a 'trade up'.
Yes, I'd like better high ISO. Would I pay several thousand dollars for it? No, I don't think so. More megapixels? Likewise. But as others have said, there's so much we don't know, that most speculation is futile. I think I'll just go on taking pics with my M9.
Cheers,
R.
PatrickONeill
Well-known
not below the price of the rumored mirrorless system
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I've been watching used M9s on Australian eBay and none have sold lately. One at a starting price of $4500 got no bids at all!
People are now definitely waiting and the expectation of the M10 is a big factor ... I'd happily pay $4500 because I'll bet my hat that the M10 will be close to twice that!
People are now definitely waiting and the expectation of the M10 is a big factor ... I'd happily pay $4500 because I'll bet my hat that the M10 will be close to twice that!
sepiareverb
genius and moron
I've no reason to upgrade to an M10. Just made a 40" tall print for an exhibit from a file shot with the M9 and a 35/1.4 pre-ASPH which is absolutely stunning. Better than any 35mm color film I ever shot would deliver. Can't believe the quality handheld with a 30 year old lens.
I'd sell a lot of stuff and go for an S2 if I wanted really big.
I'd sell a lot of stuff and go for an S2 if I wanted really big.
250swb
Well-known
Well how low did the market for M8's go when the M9 was introduced? I would imagine the equation is still the same, so rather than ask a hypothetical question do some research using facts. Or are you trying to create a prematurely low market price for used M9's in anticipation?
Steve
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Well how low did the market for M8's go when the M9 was introduced? I would imagine the equation is still the same, so rather than ask a hypothetical question do some research using facts. Or are you trying to create a prematurely low market price for used M9's in anticipation?
Steve
Dear Steve,
(Highlighted portion): No, I really doubt it. Moving from crop sensor to full frame was a big step, and had lots of us handing over tear-stained cheques; no IR filters was a bonus. Within reason, whatever the M10 does, it ain't gonna be as big a jump.
Cheers,
R.
porktaco
Well-known
i think the m10 could be an MX10, and be some kind of tweener camera. it's not at all clear how much room is left at the top end.
FrozenInTime
Well-known
If the ideal Leica walk about combo is two bodies: how many currently have both those as M9s ?
Not many I wager.
I can see at lot of film Ms, M8s and M9s being joined by a M10/11 as the new primary body.
I don't see mass dumping of the M9s in the rush to upgrade - more likely the volume of M7s, MPs and M8s trading on the market would jump significantly.
If the M10 is B&W only, maybe the M8 picks up some appreciation as B&W/IR body.
Not many I wager.
I can see at lot of film Ms, M8s and M9s being joined by a M10/11 as the new primary body.
I don't see mass dumping of the M9s in the rush to upgrade - more likely the volume of M7s, MPs and M8s trading on the market would jump significantly.
If the M10 is B&W only, maybe the M8 picks up some appreciation as B&W/IR body.
BobYIL
Well-known
Assumptions and predictions so far are all on a new FF model. What if it would be based on a state-of-art APS-C sensor?! Leica enjoys the widest spectrum of lenses for the APS-C size too...
(Quite possible.. )
(Quite possible.. )
dogberryjr
[Pithy phrase]
Roger Hicks: Within reason said:
brokencivilian
Established
I'd say just wait and see whats released and what may happen.
f16sunshine
Moderator
What is all this B+W sensor only talk?
Why on earth would a business decide to introduce a product that would reduce it's overall sales vs one that would increase it's overall sales?
Why on earth would a business decide to introduce a product that would reduce it's overall sales vs one that would increase it's overall sales?
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Effects of non-Leica developments
Effects of non-Leica developments
The small interchangeable lens camera with high IQ marketplace is booming these days. When XPro1, Nex7, and E-M5 IQ tests from sources like dxomark and dpreview hit the web, I suspect there could be even more impact on used Leica DRF prices. Maybe its a minor effect? But I for one am no longer hoping for any high IQ Leica gear at a reasonable price (for me that means under $2000).
There was a day when I looked forward to possible ownership of a used M8 or even M8.2 when their used prices went sub-$2000. But now I'm looking instead toward Fuji and Sony.. even Olympus, to fill my 'need'. With the Fuji X100, XPro1, Sony Nex7, and Olympus' E-M5 we can now foresee real possibilities for reasonably priced small bodies with high IQ and the ability to use just about any lens under the sun, including Leitz!!
Unless Leica has some surprises up its sleeve, it appears to me that they don't really care about growing their market share. They seem to be completely satisfied to continue living within the confines of a pretty small sector of the camera market. Oh well.
Effects of non-Leica developments
The small interchangeable lens camera with high IQ marketplace is booming these days. When XPro1, Nex7, and E-M5 IQ tests from sources like dxomark and dpreview hit the web, I suspect there could be even more impact on used Leica DRF prices. Maybe its a minor effect? But I for one am no longer hoping for any high IQ Leica gear at a reasonable price (for me that means under $2000).
There was a day when I looked forward to possible ownership of a used M8 or even M8.2 when their used prices went sub-$2000. But now I'm looking instead toward Fuji and Sony.. even Olympus, to fill my 'need'. With the Fuji X100, XPro1, Sony Nex7, and Olympus' E-M5 we can now foresee real possibilities for reasonably priced small bodies with high IQ and the ability to use just about any lens under the sun, including Leitz!!
Unless Leica has some surprises up its sleeve, it appears to me that they don't really care about growing their market share. They seem to be completely satisfied to continue living within the confines of a pretty small sector of the camera market. Oh well.