Paul Luscher
Well-known
Paterson: Beg to differ, re your comment about "getting far better results with film".
I've found that in certain circumstances, I get far better results with the M9 than with film (though I still shoot it). Digital seems to do a better job of picking up shadow detail than film. At least that 's been my experience, given that so many musicians like to wear black, and I'm shooting under less than perfect light. With film, if I didn't watch it, I'd end up with disembodied hands and heads floating in a black void. So I was really surprised, when I first started shooting digital under the same conditions, how much detail I picked up in the dark areas.
tele_player (referring to the guitar?) Understand the heartbreak of mashing up a $7,000 camera. But that's why I insured it. Lessens the pain, if that should ever occur (God forbid...).
I've found that in certain circumstances, I get far better results with the M9 than with film (though I still shoot it). Digital seems to do a better job of picking up shadow detail than film. At least that 's been my experience, given that so many musicians like to wear black, and I'm shooting under less than perfect light. With film, if I didn't watch it, I'd end up with disembodied hands and heads floating in a black void. So I was really surprised, when I first started shooting digital under the same conditions, how much detail I picked up in the dark areas.
tele_player (referring to the guitar?) Understand the heartbreak of mashing up a $7,000 camera. But that's why I insured it. Lessens the pain, if that should ever occur (God forbid...).
walleye
Newbie
Not for me. Autofocus may be a selling point. But for a APS-Csensor, NEX5 is a better choice with its interchangeable mount.
I will hold my money until they incorporate the following features into their next version:
-Interchangeable mount;
- Full frame;
- Super CCD EXR
I will hold my money until they incorporate the following features into their next version:
-Interchangeable mount;
- Full frame;
- Super CCD EXR
BMacW
Established
I will add my perspective, which I think is very unique.
I was very interested in the x100 since its announcement, not because of the hybrid view finder but rather the sensor size vs physical size factor. (I don't like DSLR)
Prior to that I dont' know much about rangerfinders. But, since x100 has very close form factor to rangerfinder cameras, my research brought me to this site.
Long story short. I got a used M8 the day after those sample pictures for x100 were published. Because it wasn't quite what I expected. (I was expecting x1 type IQ).
It's nice to own a 5 year old camera, knowing (and not having to worry about) it doesn't have any of the fancy features and just go out and shoot. There are 500 posts about how fast the AF on x100 would be. What do I care now?
I was very interested in the x100 since its announcement, not because of the hybrid view finder but rather the sensor size vs physical size factor. (I don't like DSLR)
Prior to that I dont' know much about rangerfinders. But, since x100 has very close form factor to rangerfinder cameras, my research brought me to this site.
Long story short. I got a used M8 the day after those sample pictures for x100 were published. Because it wasn't quite what I expected. (I was expecting x1 type IQ).
It's nice to own a 5 year old camera, knowing (and not having to worry about) it doesn't have any of the fancy features and just go out and shoot. There are 500 posts about how fast the AF on x100 would be. What do I care now?
hausen
Well-known
I sold my M8 6 months ago and was about to push the button on the M9 when I tried a friends 5DII and 24TS-E and ending up going that way. (have moved to mainly shooting landscapes recently) Have X100 on order and local rep says second week in March and can't wait because I really miss the size of my departed M8 and M6. This hopefully will be my B&W 'walkaround' that M8 and M6 were perfect for. Love 35mm and auto focus is a real bonus to me.
River Dog
Always looking
I run a Leica CL with the 50mm Zeiss Planar. I want the 35mm as well. As there are still many situations where I would also like the choice of digital, without spending a lot more money, I have ordered a refurbished NEX-3 body with M adaptor for $320 (£200) and look forward to investing in more glass knowing I that have a digital back to use them on when I don't have the time or inclination for film.
Glass seems to be the best long term investment for me. When the CL dies, I will go for a M6 for the same reason.
Even the wife grudgingly admits that - having sold her my 550D at the family rate.
I haven't used it yet, so I reserve judgment but I think that makes a sensible option on paper for the price point, rather than worrying about a whole new camera with fixed lens for a lot more.
Now if the Fuji was an M mount body, it would probably be a no-brainer.
Glass seems to be the best long term investment for me. When the CL dies, I will go for a M6 for the same reason.
Even the wife grudgingly admits that - having sold her my 550D at the family rate.
I haven't used it yet, so I reserve judgment but I think that makes a sensible option on paper for the price point, rather than worrying about a whole new camera with fixed lens for a lot more.
Now if the Fuji was an M mount body, it would probably be a no-brainer.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Of course, as I've not tried a production camera, but only a (very) partially functional prototype at photokina, I cannot speak (or write) authoritatively. Has any M8/8.2/9 user here on RFF actually bought and used an X100 yet?
This camera seems to be exciting some people to an extent that I cannot readily understand. How many ownera of digital Ms have responded? For example, River Dog's argument makes eminent sense, but on his own admission, he does not already own an M8/8.2/9 -- which was the premise of this thread. A second digital camera that is essentially incompatible with your main digital camera makes a lot less sense to me than a film camera that is compatible with your main digital camera.
Cheers,
R.
This camera seems to be exciting some people to an extent that I cannot readily understand. How many ownera of digital Ms have responded? For example, River Dog's argument makes eminent sense, but on his own admission, he does not already own an M8/8.2/9 -- which was the premise of this thread. A second digital camera that is essentially incompatible with your main digital camera makes a lot less sense to me than a film camera that is compatible with your main digital camera.
Cheers,
R.
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Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
I've been very tempted to buy an RD1 or an M8, but honestly I think I'd never buy an X100 if I had any digital in M mount...
I don't own any small compact digital, and have been waiting for one interesting model for "those family situations", but not for street, and of course not for pro work, as it wouldn't be a comfortable option from the tool point of view.
But I've been waiting for a camera like the X100: I'd prefer it with a full frame sensor, no hybrid viewfinder, real RF focusing (manual focus) and black.
From Fuji or not, I think that kind of X200 will be around very soon, maybe next year.
Cheers,
Juan
I don't own any small compact digital, and have been waiting for one interesting model for "those family situations", but not for street, and of course not for pro work, as it wouldn't be a comfortable option from the tool point of view.
But I've been waiting for a camera like the X100: I'd prefer it with a full frame sensor, no hybrid viewfinder, real RF focusing (manual focus) and black.
From Fuji or not, I think that kind of X200 will be around very soon, maybe next year.
Cheers,
Juan
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Even the wife grudgingly admits that - having sold her my 550D at the family rate.
You sold your wife something. Seriously?
River Dog
Always looking
You sold your wife something. Seriously?
Wasn't going to give it to her. This way she lays off my camera and lens habit
MCTuomey
Veteran
A second digital camera that is essentially incompatible with your main digital camera makes a lot less sense to me than a film camera that is compatible with your main digital camera.
I agree and own one digi M and one film M myself. I would much rather save to be able to move to an M9 at some point than spend $ now on the fuji. I guess I just don't get the excitement.
Of course, as I've not tried a production camera, but only a (very) partially functional prototype at photokina, I cannot speak (or write) authoritatively. Has any M8/8.2/9 user here on RFF actually bought and used an X100 yet?
This camera seems to be exciting some people to an extent that I cannot readily understand. How many ownera of digital Ms have responded? For example, River Dog's argument makes eminent sense, but on his own admission, he does not already own an M8/8.2/9 -- which was the premise of this thread. A second digital camera that is essentially incompatible with your main digital camera makes a lot less sense to me than a film camera that is compatible with your main digital camera.
Cheers,
R.
I concede. People use tools in different manners. Compatibility may be your thing, it may not be mine. I'm sure you use more than one type of camera. I'm not interested in film anymore, I don't care for DSLRs, and tat leaves me with few options. I own a M8.2, will buy the X100, and I still love to photograph. I'm just not sure why buying the X100 while owning a digital Leica is mutually exclusive to making photos.
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Roger Hicks
Veteran
Absolutely. Because most of my pics are taken when travelling, the last thing I want is two incompatible camera systems -- or one system, and a fixed-lens autofocus. I very seldom take anything other than Leica-M-compatible with me, though sometimes I take a Nikon F for long lenses. Nearer home, or on trips using a particular camera, I'm less fussy. Even so, I can't really imagine when I'd choose an X100 instead of the Ms I already own.People use tools in different manners.
But as you say, so much depends on how (and where) each indivdual uses a camera. An X100 may indeed be a far better choice for you (and, of course, not just you -- others as well).
Cheers,
R.
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Gary Sandhu
Well-known
To OP:
You are a victim of marketing hype, perhaps? I was about to pre-order on the Fuji but the page didn't load and by then I came to my senses.
I have a M8 and after selling it, and buying another M8 afterwards, I realize that it's more than good for me (and I also owned and sold a M9 for the same reason).
You are a victim of marketing hype, perhaps? I was about to pre-order on the Fuji but the page didn't load and by then I came to my senses.
I have a M8 and after selling it, and buying another M8 afterwards, I realize that it's more than good for me (and I also owned and sold a M9 for the same reason).
Lss
Well-known
Pretty much the same here, but I find a fixed-lens camera much easier to accommodate than a second system. Especially if it complements one's main system and provides some overlap (thus functioning as a back-up camera). I really don't see any problem with mixing M and X100, as long as a 35mm equivalent covers enough of your needs.Because most of my pics are taken when travelling, the last thing I want is two incompatible camera systems -- or one system, and a fixed-lens autofocus.
I really don't see any problem with mixing M and X100, as long as a 35mm equivalent covers enough of your needs.
Yeah, I can't see it being a big deal unless you just don't like the X100.
sojournerphoto
Veteran
Funny, I was excited by the idea, but since getting the M9 I don't see the point for me. If I want to carry something small I borrow my wife's LX5, otehrwise M9 or Ikon and a lens. My dslr barely sees any use these days, though I do pull out the MF cameras for particular things.
Not knocking it. I think it's an idea that deserves to succeed and I really wish Fuji well with it. It's just that I don't think I need it in addition.
Mike
Not knocking it. I think it's an idea that deserves to succeed and I really wish Fuji well with it. It's just that I don't think I need it in addition.
Mike
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
quote: "... but it ain't an M9"
We won't know that until the prints are on the wall.
We won't know that until the prints are on the wall.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Jamie,quote: "... but it ain't an M9"
We won't know that until the prints are on the wall.![]()
Well, we know it's a fixed-lens autofocus camera with a smaller-than-35mm sensor. Does that sound like an M9 to you?
Cheers,
R.
Dear Jamie,
Well, we know it's a fixed-lens autofocus camera with a smaller-than-35mm sensor. Does that sound like an M9 to you?
Cheers,
R.
No, it sounds better.
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
Better for Fuji, no doubt...
And maybe for sales people too... For photographers, an M9 -I imagine- can offer "a bit" more advantages... 
Cheers,
Juan
Cheers,
Juan
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