nrb
Nuno Borges
Life expectancy of digital can not be counted on the number of images produced. Long before it gets mechanically worn out their built-in obsolescence in terms of number of pixels and sensor size will give them away.Ben Z said:Hmmm. The Canon 1DS-II seems to be built to the same standard as the 1V, good for 150,000 shots before a $200 shutter replacement and then on to another 150,000. If the M8 can do that, I don't see much of an argument here.
How much will be worth a 2 year old M8 the day a spanking new M9 shows up displaying a 20 M full-frame super steady shot sensor and being able to use a 35 summicron lens at its proper 35 mm angle of view ?
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jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Why not? Plenty of pro's are still shooting the Canon 1D,Canon and Nikon are happily replacing worn shutters, and I cannot see myself replacing the Canon 10D or my Digilux2 in the forseeable future. I'll just add a M8. What is great now doesn't suddenly turn into cr@p overnight because some engineer dreams up something <new-better>. It is not digital that is the problem, it is the "I wanna keep up with the advertising"mentality. 95% of the so-called "upgrades"on new technical products (not just camera's) are gimmicks anyway. Real improvements are few and far between.
I think most Leica M buyers with their affinity for vintage equipment will be far less affected by this virus than the average DSLR affectionado.
I think most Leica M buyers with their affinity for vintage equipment will be far less affected by this virus than the average DSLR affectionado.
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taffer
void
jdos2 said:Have a Pasteis de Nata for me, please, and a cup of "Chave d'Ouro" (Uma bica!), and take a nice picture of bronze Fernando Pessoa (Rua Garret). I miss Lisbon so.
Pasteis de Nata ! Oh si. My very first food a few minutes after landing in Lisbon (and taxiing to Oriente to jump on the first Alfa to Porto) together with a bica at the station bar/store. Delicious!
Sorry for the OT. I just had a memory-trigger episode.
As for the M8, I'm afraid I won't
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
taffer said:As for the M8, I'm afraid I won'tRD-1s or Digikon, that's to be seen but I see it more feasible.
Don't worry, mate your time will come! At your age I was shooting an EXA II ! Ain't I a fossil?:bang:
taffer
void
jaapv said:Don't worry, mate your time will come! At your age I was shooting an EXA II ! Ain't I a fossil?:bang:![]()
LOL !
Cute camera though
http://members.tripod.com/Nigel_Richards/Othercameras/exa_ii.htm
Kevin
Rainbow Bridge
It often happens that products are recalled because of mechanical, electronic or software defects. Sometimes you just cannot test everything before a product is shipped.
Paying to be an alpha tester just doesn't sound right to me.
I would rather shoot with my film rangefinders for a year longer and then know all of the problems before I buy into the new technology.
Even though money does grow on trees, my small branch will not be spent to perform functional tests on someone else's product, no matter how legendary the company which made it might be.
Paying to be an alpha tester just doesn't sound right to me.
I would rather shoot with my film rangefinders for a year longer and then know all of the problems before I buy into the new technology.
Even though money does grow on trees, my small branch will not be spent to perform functional tests on someone else's product, no matter how legendary the company which made it might be.
nemjo
Avatar Challenge
Hi all,
reading this thread makes me wonder : is it really necessary to explain something even not planned to do?
There must be something very attractive then.
So if I could afford, I'd buy one - but can not:bang:
nemjo
reading this thread makes me wonder : is it really necessary to explain something even not planned to do?
There must be something very attractive then.
So if I could afford, I'd buy one - but can not:bang:
nemjo
Mark Norton
Well-known
Kevin said:Paying to be an alpha tester just doesn't sound right to me.
...no matter how legendary the company which made it might be.
I don't think we're going to be alpha testers at all. The camera has likely been out there for a while in various guises and the last year will have been spent refining the firmware and getting it production ready. Sean Reid here is more than likely to have been one such tester which gives me great confidence the camera is going to be as good as we hope.
Kevin! Don't know if you're German - Kevin doesn't sound a very German name to me - but I would have thought that you'd be more supportive of this effort by your compatriots. Leica is indeed a legendary company and they deserve to succeed.
Kevin
Rainbow Bridge
Mark Norton said:I don't think we're going to be alpha testers at all. The camera has likely been out there for a while in various guises and the last year will have been spent refining the firmware and getting it production ready. Sean Reid here is more than likely to have been one such tester which gives me great confidence the camera is going to be as good as we hope.
Kevin! Don't know if you're German - Kevin doesn't sound a very German name to me - but I would have thought that you'd be more supportive of this effort by your compatriots. Leica is indeed a legendary company and they deserve to succeed.
Oh I am very supportive of Leica (I have two M6 bodies and 3 of their lenses) and I believe this camera is going to be a great shooter. I just know that bugs creep through, even though a company has tried everything possible to spot them before first shipment.
I suppose that I am bit more patient than most here ;-)
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Well, nobody hammered Mercedes for recalling 1.5 million (figures from Auto Motor und Sport) E-class vehicles in 2005, so in analogy I guess Leica is going to make good on any glitches.
Kevin
Rainbow Bridge
Sure thing, but the expectation of finally getting a great tool and then to be disappointed by the glitch is just too much for me to bear.
It is probably like a mother holding its newborne for the first time when suddenly the nurse comes to take it away for a few weeks until it heals.
It is probably like a mother holding its newborne for the first time when suddenly the nurse comes to take it away for a few weeks until it heals.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Actually, I had one of the earliest Digilux 2's and a C-lux1 from the very first batch from the factory - no glitches at all. And these camera's were tested to a far lower level than the M8 will be. Add to that: built in small series in Germany, by a workforce that is highly trained in in the mechanical part of high-end camera's, tested mechanics and with the experience of the DMR, that is fairly similar in the digital part, well, I don't really expect any of the foul-ups that some DSLR's exhibited over the years. Most of those had to do with AF and the like, which the M8 doesn't even have. It is noticable, by the way, that the newest generations of all major digital camera makers attract very few to no negative reports in this respect.
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Kevin
Rainbow Bridge
Hmm, you almost have me convinced.
But I am a firm believer in Murphey's Law!
Of course you know what that is, oder?
But I am a firm believer in Murphey's Law!
Of course you know what that is, oder?
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Yesterday my bread and jam fell on the floor facing the right side up! 
akitadog
Established
M8
M8
I would love to have one, but until I win the lotto I will have to stick with my Leica M6 and lenses and Mamiya 6 and lenses.
HHK:
M8
I would love to have one, but until I win the lotto I will have to stick with my Leica M6 and lenses and Mamiya 6 and lenses.
HHK:
Bob Ross
Well-known
Expectations are wishes....be careful about what you wish for........you know how it goesKevin said:Sure thing, but the expectation of finally getting a great tool and then to be disappointed by the glitch is just too much for me to bear.
Kevin
Rainbow Bridge
jaapv said:Yesterday my bread and jam fell on the floor facing the right side up!![]()
I think there is some law of physics that explains why the jam-side will face the floor more times than not.
Therefore you were just lucky this time
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Murphey's law clearly implies it will fall face down each and every time! 
ffttklackdedeng
Registered User
Kevin said:I think there is some law of physics that explains why the jam-side will face the floor more times than not.
This tells us that jaapv's table is very high (so the bread had anough space/time for a full looping)!
johnastovall
Light Hunter - RIP 2010
I'll be buying it sooner than later. Just got to sell off some trap guns I don't use anymore.
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