How many of you will buy the M8 or Digital M

How many of you will buy the M8 or Digital M

  • I have my unit pre-ordered already.

    Votes: 122 15.1%

  • Need more cash

    Votes: 141 17.5%

  • Will buy it for sure sooner or later

    Votes: 234 29.0%

  • Not interested or have no plans to get one.

    Votes: 311 38.5%
  • Total voters
    808
dexdog said:
Sometimes bigger is better. I can't imagine anyone arguing in favor of a camera that used APS-sized film. I would much rather spend 3K on a Canon 5D than 5K on a Leica digital.

I really think that the issue boils down to choices and preferences. There are lots of choices around for digital SLRs, but few for digital RFs. Leica might be the best choice at the time for a digital RF. Also, because I have no M-mount lenses, I have no vested interest in the M system, so this is not a factor for me. Your results may vary.
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i can... aps-c is superior for super long telephoto because of the crop factor... were u to crop a 16.7mp 1ds mk II image to the same as taken wiht a 20d, using the same lens on both cameras, the 20d frame will have more mp...
 
Originally Posted by dexdog
Sometimes bigger is better. I can't imagine anyone arguing in favor of a camera that used APS-sized film. I would much rather spend 3K on a Canon 5D than 5K on a Leica digital.
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That would depend on the quality of the film rather than the size, wouldn't you say? Arguing between formats is rather improductive anyway. Would you prefer a Mamiya over a Leica R9? I think not.
 
Maybe I'll wait and save my cash for the M9 full-frame 12MP version......like all things digital, a "consumer upgrade" is inevitable.

Chris
canonetc
 
I'm really gutted about the new M8. I shot with leica for years and converted to digital when I won a 5D last year. Having used this camera I'm afraid for me I will not be using film for anything but jobs where digital is not possible - and I can't think of any. I was on an assignment in Malawi this year using a small lightweight solar charger and had no worries at all. The 5D has coped with tropical rain, desert and siberian winter - so it's up to the job. It's full frame, shoots in B&W, over 10 mp and cheaper than the M8. I don't understand what leica are thinking about. They have produced a camera which is essentially for the wealthy collector and not for working photojournalists with budget constraints. The lens choices with canon are also much better 24mm f1.4 and 35mm f1.4 and now a 50mm f1.2. I had been holding onto my leica gear in the hope that the digital M would be affordable and it's not so it's all going for sale.

2 M6's, rapid winders, 28mm f2, 35mm f2 and 50mm f1.4 if anyone is interested.
 
Bryce said:
I'm waiting for Ken Rockwell's review. When he says it's a better camera than the Mamiya 6, I'll start saving...
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As far as I know, he has never done a Leica review.
Actually the only time he mentions Leica on his site is to prove
that expensive camera's don't make good photographers.
Can't see him starting now...
 
canonetc said:
Maybe I'll wait and save my cash for the M9 full-frame 12MP version......like all things digital, a "consumer upgrade" is inevitable.

Chris
canonetc
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That's what I'll be doing too. Problem is no one knows whether there'll ever be a M9 if the current M8 doesn't prove a huge trade success.
 
dg_2101 said:
I was on an assignment in Malawi this year using a small lightweight solar charger and had no worries at all. The 5D has coped with tropical rain, desert and siberian winter - so it's up to the job. QUOTE]

Really? I have visons of Bungalo Bill sipping a Corona with a lime twist swinging in hammock waiting on his Trusty Pocket Solar Charger to breath fire into his water, ice and sand proof Plastic Canon Super Reporter. It looks like you will be selling your back up gear too. I would wash myself clean from any association I have with any bourgosie collectors of photography toys too. Their snobbery never made for better pictures.

Now that the 5D is all the rage I had best be selling my view cameras and all the lenses I've collected for them over the years (and my Leica gear too). I'll put it all into Canon fodder. I'm sure mass market 5D gear will appreciate better than my 35 year old M4 has.
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dg_2101 said:
I was on an assignment in Malawi this year using a small lightweight solar charger and had no worries at all.
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Actually there are very few places in Malawi where one does not find 240 V mains electricity or at a pinch generators. I've visited there for long stretches for 15 years, the last four with digital camera's, and I've never run out of batteries....
 
I voted that I would not purchase one, and if there was a category that said "Never Ever Ever" I'd check that. But I hope it takes off big time, the price drops, more people fall in love with it, and a flood of Leica, and other, rangefinder cameras hit the market. That, to me, is the true beauty of digital.
 
From a finacial standpoint, i worry that if i buy the m8 i will kick myself in the but later on when an upgrade comes along having spent 5 grand and now its a paper wieght that you can use as a camera. I would not compair it to any canon camera though not because of body size but rather lens sizes. i have an m6 with 3 lenses. i pack it in a tiny easy to carry shoulder bag. I also have a 10d with 24-70, adn 70-200. which i hate taking for long periods of time. I am not a pro, but i do enjoy using great gear which canon and leica are. But the next time i go to nyc for fun, or on vacation, or friend or family gatherings. i don't have to lug 3-4 primes or a huge zoom. (L Lenses i mean.) i will just put the m8, 3 lenses, 2 sd cards , and 2 batteries into my tiny bag a not complain about carrying them all over europe or somewhere else. to some that alone is worth the money. Also, to address the obsolete issues, i thing that that is a dumb thing to worry about. anyone who buys the m8 or 5d will eventually come to see a new add for a m9 or 5d mk2 and will be jealous. it wrong what most people are doing picking on the leica. but 10 years from now it will still be a 10 megapixel camera which is usable. for godsake there is already a 300 somthing mp camera. it's not great for travel but they have it.

thanks for listening.

PS: if anyone is really worried about the next gen leica coming out and want to wait assuming it will take 5 years atleast to release one. people could put away something like $84.00 per month towards the new camera. i will start doing that right away if i buy m8 or not.
 
Alm3000 said:
From a finacial standpoint, i worry that if i buy the m8 i will kick myself in the but later on when an upgrade comes along having spent 5 grand and now its a paper wieght that you can use as a camera.
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If the M8 is a good camera (and I suspect it is), it will still be a good camera even when the next, improved, digital M comes out. Provided the basic ergonomics are right, the files are good, and Leica can continue to service the camera, I can't see any reason why someone couldn't use an M8 for many years without ever considering "upgrading".
 
Larry Kellogg said:
I think vinyl is different than CD, not always better or worse, just different. I think too much is made of declaring something as the winner. I don't believe vinyl playback or film is going to disappear from the planet tomorrow.
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Exactly right. Regardless of what silly alleged audiophiles will tell you, no vinyl record that has ever been pressed is "better" than the CD made from the same source. Not even the first time you play the record, when its virginal and hasn't begun to lose fidelity due to wear, is it "better" than the CD. It loses on every single count, in a physics and acoustics sense. But, it does have a different sound, and some people (including me) sometimes prefer it. They just shouldn't fall into the trap of claiming it's better.

With cameras it's opposite but the same: digital camera sensors lose (though not by much anymore, on the high end), if you compare apples-to-apples (ie, high MP with good glass to a film/glass combo that gives you a rough equivalent in lpm). They simply aren't capable of capturing the same range, yet, particularly on the high end (the dreaded blown highlights). A good sensor will do better than crap film behind a plastic lens, but that's not apples-to-apples.

But, just like some people enjoy vinyl because it sounds "organic" (ie, it crackles and pops, or maybe one is hypersensitive to the vibrations caused by the mechanism itself), and some people prefer CD because it is more accurate; various people have different opinions about the different qualities of film and digital.

It makes for a good discussion but a bad argument, same as vinyl vs CD, because once it becomes an argument people want to "prove" their subjective response to a stimuli by inventing spurious facts.
 
climbing_vine said:
Exactly right. Regardless of what silly alleged audiophiles will tell you, no vinyl record that has ever been pressed is "better" than the CD made from the same source.]

Well, I have been called silly and an audiophile (I still groom my tube gear) but the issues are really two.

1.) The analog version of light or sound, whatever captures the overtones, the harmonics, if you will, differs from digital sampling. Analog's very nature of being is created and destroyed by harmonic order. Digital is created by interpolations of small time samples. Interpolation means 'to lie'. In analog the overtones can be recreated in such a way that the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. Digital music and camera shortfalls are found in the Analog to Digital conversion. Each has platform has it's advantages.

2.) The sad thing is that with the passing of every year fewer and fewer folks will be exposed to analog, and therefore digital will have nothing to compare with.

I sincerely wish that Mr. climbing_vine could hear Phil Spector's 45 RPM production of Ike and Tina Turner's River Deep Mountain High played through Klipsch corner horns and driven by a MacIntosh tube amp. Who know's? He may be reborn as a silly audiophile.
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I voted "will buy it sooner or later", but have to change to "ordered already"
Is this possible?
 
"Better" for me is what I prefer, and I can guarantee you those reasons are not all subjective silliness. I would never insist, however, that what is better for me must be better for anyone else, as a silly climbing vine apparently does.
 
Pretty impressive that "I have my unit pre-ordered already" is gaining on the rest of the field, but not surprising as we near the release date! Seventy members put their money (an impressive committment) where their GAS is; almost 15% of respondents.
 
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