gnuyork
Well-known
If you're asking me...no. I have never seen the movie. And I'm Gen X - sort of stuck between the old ways and the new tech. I'm often conflicted with which way I want to go. film vs digital. For now I use both.
I adopted digital fairly early (around 2000-2001 ish), but I still enjoy the analog process, especially lately. I've also started collecting vinyl records and giving up on my CDs (mostly).
Bob Michaels
nobody special
I still have my licensed and boxed copy of 1-2-3 Version 1A* on 5 1/4" floppies. I have to boot up my 1984 IBM XT to run it. That XT runs DOS 3.0.
I used 1-2-3 for many years after Excel took over simply because data entry using only the keyboard and not a mouse was so much faster.
I started with Photoshop Elements V5.5 in 1999 as it came free bundled with an $89 Epson printer that I bought. When the free OEM version of Elements could be upgraded to Photoshop V5.5 (long before the CS series) for $75, I paid for that. I now use CS5 and would pay a one time fee for an upgrade if such were available but such is only via the subscription model.
I have not had any unlicensed software on my system for the last 20+ years. I have a license for every program, every movie, every song, everything as I once was in the software development business. We told our employees that since we did not want others to steal our intellectual property, that if they had any unlicensed (i.e. bootleg) copies on their system that it was a firing offense.
gns
Well-known
Not an either/or situation. There are pros and cons to both, so why not do both?
Bill Clark
Veteran
Thanks Bob.
If my memory is correct, Lotus 123 had the list of items to use on the top, the task would get highlighted with the arrow keys, then click on to use.
With software mostly available today in a download only way, rather than in a box in various forms, is copying less of a problem today?
My Photoshop DVD had to be activated by Adobe and I had bought the version able to install on two computers. I don't think Elements had that. Maybe now?
If my memory is correct, Lotus 123 had the list of items to use on the top, the task would get highlighted with the arrow keys, then click on to use.
With software mostly available today in a download only way, rather than in a box in various forms, is copying less of a problem today?
My Photoshop DVD had to be activated by Adobe and I had bought the version able to install on two computers. I don't think Elements had that. Maybe now?
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hi,
"Out of date 10 years ago" and so on fascinated as I'm using a camera that was out of date roughly 80 years ago when Leitz released the model III...
And out of date doesn't mean unusable, does it? I can still play CD's and DVF's etc. And some of my CD's were complied from floppy discs, and some of the DVD's from CD's and so on. So what's the worry?
Regards, David
"Out of date 10 years ago" and so on fascinated as I'm using a camera that was out of date roughly 80 years ago when Leitz released the model III...
And out of date doesn't mean unusable, does it? I can still play CD's and DVF's etc. And some of my CD's were complied from floppy discs, and some of the DVD's from CD's and so on. So what's the worry?
Regards, David
mbisc
Silver Halide User
I bet money that many of my kids' peers (they are less than 10 now) will have no pictures from their childhood when they are adults. Mine will have plenty...
Scrambler
Well-known
Errrr, no. They had smaller and larger drives, and were a form of floppy disk, but not in any way interchangable with 3.5.
I still have a copy of Windows 95 on Zip drive. Certainly an alive product 20 years ago but by 15 was dead.
finguanzo
Well-known
I still have a Zip drive , jazz drive and some disks from my recording days. See, not obsolete..
Scrambler
Well-known
I still have a Lego webcam and the Apple I need to run it. But I never power them up...I still have a Zip drive , jazz drive and some disks from my recording days. See, not obsolete..
Scrambler
Well-known
And I still have the zip drive. But a parallel port? Hard enough getting a USB-to-Serial adapter for Win10 for my Lego Mindstorms IR tower...I still have a Zip drive , jazz drive and some disks from my recording days. See, not obsolete..
aizan
Veteran
you don't want to rely on your storage media and readers and computers and software to last forever. you want to migrate your photos every five years to the newest updates.
Bill Clark
Veteran
I never used a zip drive.
I skipped it and waited. Many folks That used them, for what ever reasons, had trouble with them.
With my business I eventually used to store photographs, USB external drives. Kept the main drive on the computer for software only. Just the way I operated.
Before the USB external I used CD and eventually DVDs. Some are over ten years old, and just for grins, I tried a couple a short while ago and, vola, they still work.
Up here 3M spun off a company called Imation. Struggling concern since the internet is used today for a lot of this stuff, cloud, etc.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassbridge_Enterprises
I skipped it and waited. Many folks That used them, for what ever reasons, had trouble with them.
With my business I eventually used to store photographs, USB external drives. Kept the main drive on the computer for software only. Just the way I operated.
Before the USB external I used CD and eventually DVDs. Some are over ten years old, and just for grins, I tried a couple a short while ago and, vola, they still work.
Up here 3M spun off a company called Imation. Struggling concern since the internet is used today for a lot of this stuff, cloud, etc.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassbridge_Enterprises
MIkhail
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I get the point that this collage is making, and this point repeated many times before.
However, while still considering a good paper print to be "the end of a photo process", I am wondering: how durable is that 100 years old print? Yes, baryta paper and all that, but I have my father's 50-60 years old prints that are completely faded away, even though kept in album. Moisture, sun, etc. Not to mention physical damage, wear and tear...
So I am not sold on that idea of printing everything either.
However, while still considering a good paper print to be "the end of a photo process", I am wondering: how durable is that 100 years old print? Yes, baryta paper and all that, but I have my father's 50-60 years old prints that are completely faded away, even though kept in album. Moisture, sun, etc. Not to mention physical damage, wear and tear...
So I am not sold on that idea of printing everything either.
edge100
Well-known
They wont remember them. That's fine.
oftheherd
Veteran
No, both they and the JAZ drives would not accept 3.5 floppies, nor their disks fit floppies. I think I remember JAZ did have an internal drive, but both were usually used out of the parallel port.
Anybody ever use tape for backups? I did and within two weeks of installation, I had a HD failure. I was a happy person to have that tape backup.
In the US Army, we had a communications system that ran off an 8" floppy, on a machine with a Z80 chip. That was old tech when we got it. We had a location with a data base on if I recall, 12" metal platters.
I never considered CSx to be Photo Shop (I know, technically it was). I first used I believe, PS 5.5.
Lotus - Like Bob, I used a legit copy on 3.5 floppies. I think I still have it around the house. I also had legit copies of Access, Dbase, R-Base, Ami Pro, Unix, and some others. I had C on a Commodore 64. Anyone ever hear of or use Small Talk?
I wonder how many don't even know what some of that was? Ah, the good old days.
As to the original question of the OP, I have both, and I am keeping them up. For those of us who tend to be smug about negatives or slides, find a secure place for them. I had several thousand negatives and slides damaged beyond practical use by a house fire.
Scrambler
Well-known
My favorite old software was Sandys Word Processor. Designed to run memory-resident on a 48K Apple II. And loaded from a 5 1/4 floppy, you 3.5 noobs.
On the original Q, once I get my Dad's old enlarger set up, it will be prints again, but mostly I have scanned film to the cloud. Hopefully the film wont die before its all scanned.
On the original Q, once I get my Dad's old enlarger set up, it will be prints again, but mostly I have scanned film to the cloud. Hopefully the film wont die before its all scanned.
dugrant153
Established
Did anyone watch that episode of Portlandia?
Did anyone watch that episode of Portlandia?
There's an episode of Portlandia where Fred Armisen's character is questioning his age (mid-life crisis I guess) and he starts to pull out all these different mac computers, zip drives, floppy disk cases and everything to try to get some photographs to determine his true age. He ends up going to a specialty computer store to try to get all his photos in one place and they talk about "The Cloud". They talk further about "The Cloud" and eventually the tech asks "have you considered The River" (Referring to something larger than The Cloud)?
Basically, print all your important photos. Hard drives and even files are prone to failure. It's a fact, not an opinion. The last thing I want to have happen is all my photos be erased because I backed it up digitally to the Cloud, only to have the Cloud Service shut down and possibly erase all my photos.
Did anyone watch that episode of Portlandia?
There's an episode of Portlandia where Fred Armisen's character is questioning his age (mid-life crisis I guess) and he starts to pull out all these different mac computers, zip drives, floppy disk cases and everything to try to get some photographs to determine his true age. He ends up going to a specialty computer store to try to get all his photos in one place and they talk about "The Cloud". They talk further about "The Cloud" and eventually the tech asks "have you considered The River" (Referring to something larger than The Cloud)?
Basically, print all your important photos. Hard drives and even files are prone to failure. It's a fact, not an opinion. The last thing I want to have happen is all my photos be erased because I backed it up digitally to the Cloud, only to have the Cloud Service shut down and possibly erase all my photos.
Bill Clark
Veteran
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
We went to two flea markets yesterday. Plenty of portraits like in attached by OP pictures. Unknown people on prints I don't even care to look at. And the rest of the visiting folks were the same.
How "folks" are going to view it is not within slightly outdated PoV of OP FB friend. He missed the cloud. The cloud exist for more than one decade now and not going to disappear any time soon. FB where OP online friend posted his slightly outdated image is on the cloud.
This is what Google returns for "FED-2" images. And photo I took with FED-2 is at the first page of returned results.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=FED-...s8LTAhUJwiYKHeNUBacQ_AUICCgB&biw=1680&bih=989
And two of my pictures taken with Indistar-26m are at the bottom of first page of this Google search return:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=FED-...iw=1680&bih=989&dpr=1#tbm=isch&q=Industar-26m
If folks will google Leica IIf, Summitar - my photo is also included:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Leic...w=1680&bih=989#tbm=isch&q=Leica+IIf,+Summitar
This is how folks are going to see my photographs I do have negatives, prints and digital copies on multiple hard drives and flash cards. But those are not for folks view.
And this is how most of the folks are viewing 100 years old pictures now:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=phot...57j69i59j0l2.360j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
How "folks" are going to view it is not within slightly outdated PoV of OP FB friend. He missed the cloud. The cloud exist for more than one decade now and not going to disappear any time soon. FB where OP online friend posted his slightly outdated image is on the cloud.
This is what Google returns for "FED-2" images. And photo I took with FED-2 is at the first page of returned results.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=FED-...s8LTAhUJwiYKHeNUBacQ_AUICCgB&biw=1680&bih=989
And two of my pictures taken with Indistar-26m are at the bottom of first page of this Google search return:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=FED-...iw=1680&bih=989&dpr=1#tbm=isch&q=Industar-26m
If folks will google Leica IIf, Summitar - my photo is also included:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Leic...w=1680&bih=989#tbm=isch&q=Leica+IIf,+Summitar
This is how folks are going to see my photographs
I do have negatives, prints and digital copies on multiple hard drives and flash cards. But those are not for folks view.And this is how most of the folks are viewing 100 years old pictures now:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=phot...57j69i59j0l2.360j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8