GeneW
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bmattock said:
"What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed." Kudos, Bill
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"What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed." Kudos, Bill
Gene
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
Come on, a photograph is the result of photographing something with a camera (whether digital or not). I lean towards seeing digital as close to photography as focusing is akin to chimping when I'm feeling frisky and defensive, but cannot (and will not) deny the merits of a photograph just because it's a digital product.
To me, the demarcation is pretty clear: digital came to fill a professional need: the need for quick images. Journalists shoot digital these days. Why we, amateurs? Because we can, that's it. Film is an option to us, but not to the pros who need to deliver images daily.
Jorge, obviously, likes the unconventional stuff. I remember him getting a Hasselblad X-Pan years ago, and singing its praises all over. Then he sold it. When he got an early Leica Digital Back, I thought he was being brave, and his shots (posted in Pnet) had an even painful sharpness about them. Now, he sells it and will wait for the digital M. To me, he's the fearless consumer and should be commended on some of his decisions.
Hence, I'll be waiting his announcement of having purchased a digital M this year! 🙂
To me, the demarcation is pretty clear: digital came to fill a professional need: the need for quick images. Journalists shoot digital these days. Why we, amateurs? Because we can, that's it. Film is an option to us, but not to the pros who need to deliver images daily.
Jorge, obviously, likes the unconventional stuff. I remember him getting a Hasselblad X-Pan years ago, and singing its praises all over. Then he sold it. When he got an early Leica Digital Back, I thought he was being brave, and his shots (posted in Pnet) had an even painful sharpness about them. Now, he sells it and will wait for the digital M. To me, he's the fearless consumer and should be commended on some of his decisions.
Hence, I'll be waiting his announcement of having purchased a digital M this year! 🙂
Andy K
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SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
Here we go again... 😱 Can't you guys agree to disagree? It ain't difficult, you know...
bmattock
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SolaresLarrave said:
Not to worry, I'm done.
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
cbass
Nutmegger
When I visited the Musee du Louvre I ignored all the paintings made with horsehair brushes. Everyone knows that "real" paintings are made with a sable brush.
ywenz
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bmattock said:
I did enjoy Bill's last laugh. Good find on that link.
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
Bill, I'm glad! 🙂 Believe me... Thanks!
mervynyan
Mervyn Yan
Although I like to take films, RDP mostly. It is expensive, about little bit under $10, film + development + tax. For the life of me, when I scanned it to digital, there are some dirties either on the glass plate or on the slide I can't get rid of.
I don't buy the most to date dSLR, if it is proved a good and reliable product, it works just fine for year to come. However, my immediate plan is to get a cheap(er) Pentax 67II
Mervyn
I don't buy the most to date dSLR, if it is proved a good and reliable product, it works just fine for year to come. However, my immediate plan is to get a cheap(er) Pentax 67II
Mervyn
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
My policy is this: when film ceases to be available or affordable to me, I'll hang my gloves and call it quits. Digital does not have any appeal to me because it involves a lot of work in the computer, and I don't want to do that.
Correct me if I'm wrong, though... It may not make me change my mind, but will make me a better informed netizen.
Correct me if I'm wrong, though... It may not make me change my mind, but will make me a better informed netizen.
Toby
On the alert
SolaresLarrave said:
Digital is just the same a film photography -if you get it right in the camera there's not that much to do in the darkroom/photoshop - the trouble is photoshop gives you so many options it's very tempting to fiddle with every image, but that's not down to digital but human nature
Will
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flipflop said:
Good man, maybe some nikon and Leica R mount also?
Will
matti
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You don't have to sell it. Darkroom stuff is almost free!
/matti
/matti
shutterflower said:
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Krasnaya_Zvezda
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Jorge, too bad about the DMR, the images you got with that were certified bada$$ shots, and have caused me to lust for one ever since.
jrong
Too many cameras
Toby said:
I think that's where people differ in opinion, and so much grief comes from these film vs digital arguments. For some people, photography covers darkroom work too. And you don't "paint with light" with Photoshop. I don't want to belittle what skilled people can do with Photoshop, but then again, it's NOT the same as darkroom work.
And, oddly enough, all of my favourite photographers shoot on film. It's not that I don't think a skilled photographer can do well with digital, it's just that I haven't seen one that I'm all that crazy about yet. Perhaps my penchant for B+W can explain some of that.
So in my personal definition, photography just isn't about getting the shot in-camera. But nevermind...forget the treatise, I think this thread has run its course! 😉
amateriat
We're all light!
Want some of my back issues of Develop!, then? 😀bmattock said:
matti
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Going digital really helped me grasp the fundamentals of the picture and helped me to trust my own eyes as it is so easy to see changes on the screen in the camera and computer immediately. Now when I'm all wet again I understand so much more.
/matti
/matti
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
There's an Importance to it 😉bmattock said:
But, wow, Jorge, I thought you really really really really loved that DMR. I have my R8, just waiting for that day that a used DMR module will come my way...
I'm a photo tryse... emm... foggedabbodit 😀
XAos
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Actually Jorge's points are valid even for those who love digital, given the nature of gear prices and product life cycles others have pointed out. If you want to sell your digital to upgrade you better do it fast, and you'll spend a lot of money trying to 'stay current' if that's important to you. Me... I want a DSLR. But I'm waiting. At this stage of the game, I kinda hate to pay $500-600 for a 6MP, but I really want a Pentax mount. And I can only hang tight and hope that Pentax/Samsung doesn't kill itself before they release what I want.
bmattock
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XAos said:
I know just what you mean. I am happy with my *ist DS camera, and would like a backup body for my few commercial shoots. I don't care for the *ist DL (penta mirror instead of penta prism) and don't want to pay for a newer *ist DS2.
So Pentax says they'll have a 10MP DSLR out this summer, and Samsung will hopefully have their version of the *ist DS on the market shortly - as a body only, no kit lens.
OR....
I could go with the Olympus Evolt 500. Cameta has them for about $400, sometimes a bit less, on eBoy. 8MP and 4/3 lens mount system. Oh baby. But not compatible with my Pentax AF lenses, of course. Don't want to duplicate lenses/flashes if I can help it. But oh my...
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
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