I just asked Apple to Support R-D1in Aperture

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If ACR, Capture One, and Lightroom among others can support the R-D1, I think maybe Apple just needs to be asked nicely. I searched and found nothing to indicate this has been done before.

But here is what really prompted me, cause I don't have the legs to be a cheerleader. While perusing the Aperture Digital Photography Fundamentals Manual, I found this on page 9 of chapter 1:

"Digital Rangefinder
There are two classes of digital rangefinder cameras: coincident rangefinder and
point-and-shoot."

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Aperture_Photography_Fundamentals.pdf

It then goes on for a page each in describing how both classes work. Of course I pointed out in my feedback that when the manual was written only one digital coincident rangefinder existed, and now two with the M8. Why devote a whole page to coincident digital rangefinders I asked when Aperture doesn't support any? So I guess I indirectly asked for M8 support too.

So if anyone would like to try Aperture at some point with their R-D1 or M8 Raw files (it has only recently been made available as a 30 day free trial), here's the feedback link:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/aperture.html

Hey if the Democrats can take back both houses of Congress anything is possible.:)

[EDIT] Aperture is a Mac only application.

Thanks,

Jim
 
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Not just Mac only, but recent-Mac only. Aperture checks to see that you have an Intel-based Mac, or a handful of the later G4/G5 Macs. It won't install on my not-that-old 12" Powerbook G4 (although apparently the install scripts can be hacked to allow it, and it does actually run... but still, why the unnecessary crippling).

Although it does look like with 1.5 Aperture has started to mature into something useable and I would like to try it out.

Perhaps I'll put in a suggestion adding 12" Powerbook support, and second the suggestion for RD-1 support. They probably just need someone to send them a RAW file... no reason *not* to support it after all.

j
 
Aperture installed onto my g4 1.5mhz powerbook. However, since it doesn't take the RD-1s files straight away - they must first be converted into dng's - I decided that I liked Lightroom better. I hope the final v1.0 of Lightroom keeps the current beta version's system requirements, and doesn't cost too much.

Take care,
Michael
 
mwooten said:
Aperture installed onto my g4 1.5mhz powerbook. However, since it doesn't take the RD-1s files straight away - they must first be converted into dng's - I decided that I liked Lightroom better. I hope the final v1.0 of Lightroom keeps the current beta version's system requirements, and doesn't cost too much.

Take care,
Michael
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Yeah, they officially support the 15" and 17" G4 Powerbooks, just not the 12". Though since it can be made to work perhaps I'll try it....

j
 
Sorry mountainrivera, I have edited my post.

Michael Aperture will not work with R-D1 files even after they have been converted to DNG's. I have read that in the past and just tried it myself, your post making me think something had changed in the 1.5.1 update.

This doesn't help you Jonas, but with the release of Aperture 1.5, Apple now officially supports the Macbook, which they didn't previously.

I'm just glad there is an alternative in Lightroom, with a similar look and feel.

Jim
 
I'm actually pretty happy with my current combo of PhotoMechanic and Capture One for basic sorting and RAW conversion. Just wanted to check out Aperture because it seemed to have some good ideas, particularly the free-form light table (mostly because I could use that for a project I'm doing right now....)

Speaking of which, I should be doing that instead of spending all this time on RFF...
 
Stuff I've read on some of the Mac-geek sites (I can say that because I'm a Mac geek myself) suggests that you might be able to trick it into importing the DNGs by adding the appropriate entry to the raw.plist file buried deep in the Mac OS X system. This plist (property list) defines what raw file types the Mac OS recognizes.

I'm not going to try it myself because the files would still be unoptimized, and if I can't get good results, why bother? Still, if someone else wants to experiment, feel free.
 
I'm a Mac fan too and have been struggling to make the Epson Raws run natively on the Mac. Thus far no success. The only way that I can get it to recognize is if I convert it to a PNG file first. Doing it by batch converting using Adobe PNG Converter doesn't work. Mac's Camera Raw still doesn't recognize it....so it won't show it in Preview. If it doesn't show in Preview, it won't show up in Aperture. But I have finally been able to get it to convert. The long and tedious way can probably be made a little more bearable by creating an action for it (but I have not tried). First open ERF file in Adobe Photoshop (I use CS2) then save it as a PNG. Now it can be view in both Preview and imported into Aperture. I am using Aperture v1.5.1 and it works fine. Downside is you loose all the Epson PhotoRaw controls such as vignetting compensation.
 
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But I have finally been able to get it to convert. The long and tedious way can probably be made a little more bearable by creating an action for it (but I have not tried). First open ERF file in Adobe Photoshop (I use CS2) then save it as a PNG. Now it can be view in both Preview and imported into Aperture. I am using Aperture v1.5.1 and it works fine. Downside is you loose all the Epson PhotoRaw controls such as vignetting compensation.
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Do you mean PNG (Portable Network Graphics) format or DNG (Adobe Digital Negative) format?

PNG is 24-bit maximum (8 bits per channel) so you'd be losing the bit-depth advantage of a raw file if you convert to that; I don't think it would have much advantage (if any) over just converting to a max-quality JPEG.

DNG is capable of storing the full bit depth of an original raw file, but everyone's experience so far is that Aperture won't handle R-D 1 files even after converting them to DNG. Apple's compatibility info says Aperture will support DNG files only if they originated from a camera for which it offers native-raw-file support; the R-D 1's ERF raw format isn't supported, so that indicates that DNG files converted from ERF wouldn't be supported either.

If you've found that Aperture 1.5.1 does support DNG files converted from ERF files, a lot of people here are going to be very interested!
 
Ooops...you are right, i converted them to PNG. Apple does not support the DNG file format after conversion from Adobe's DNG converter. Ahhh....why is life always so difficult. So for now, I guess I will have to resort to shooting JPG or using the PhotoRaw converter for Mac. Grrrr..

You can get the new Mac PhotoRaw v1.21 here...US site has older v1.1.
http://emeasupport.epson-europe.com...7cgtRiz8A8NoGnIeFpBGr8qjP4nV6kBbu4SSPiyicHLza

I also just requested R-D1 support from the aperture website. I think if they get enough of these request, they might add support.
 
I asked them too for what its worth.

I have had a pickle of a time with " appleturds " quirks and bugs. I love the idea and the program when it runs. That being said the new bridge in CS3 is very nice and probably supports the R-D1.
 
jlw said:
Do you mean PNG (Portable Network Graphics) format or DNG (Adobe Digital Negative) format?

PNG is 24-bit maximum (8 bits per channel) so you'd be losing the bit-depth advantage of a raw file if you convert to that; I don't think it would have much advantage (if any) over just converting to a max-quality JPEG.

DNG is capable of storing the full bit depth of an original raw file, but everyone's experience so far is that Aperture won't handle R-D 1 files even after converting them to DNG. Apple's compatibility info says Aperture will support DNG files only if they originated from a camera for which it offers native-raw-file support; the R-D 1's ERF raw format isn't supported, so that indicates that DNG files converted from ERF wouldn't be supported either.

If you've found that Aperture 1.5.1 does support DNG files converted from ERF files, a lot of people here are going to be very interested!
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Like many of you, I was also pretty frustrated with the lack of ERF support for the R-D1 in Aperture because I would have to convert the ERF into a JPG and only import the JPG into Aperture.

Now I finally made it work....the ability to import a raw file into Aperture.

First convert the Epson *.ERF into Adobe *.DNGs using the Adobe DNG converter.
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Macintosh

I did this in the past and it looked like it work but would not display in Preview or Aperture, it just gave an unsupported format error. It's because the raw.plist file didn't show it as a supported camera as discussed in the following RFF posting.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18699

I duplicated the D70 profile as suggested by the posting and so far everything seems to work like a charm.

Thanks for this great forum for giving me the tricks to make it happen.
 
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