I want vignetting

I'm looking for the same thing. My 28mm skopar (coupled) comes pretty close to what I want (while not vignetting at all on my M3), but it's not nearly enough. So I'm still enjoying my XA, and sort of ashamed to say I'm checking out LC-A's.
 
jim.hiram said:
Hello everybody. Long time lurker, first time poster. I recently got a hold of a new R-D1 and I'm excited to start shooting with it. I wanted to ask all the users here if you could recommend a lens with heavy vignetting when used with the R-D1. Yes, I WANT vignetting. This probably goes against the grain of a lot of shooters here, but I love the look vignetting provides some photos.

So I was looking for a rangefinder coupled lens that is relatively affoardable (under $1000) that has intense vignetting across all f-stops. I know the Super Angulon has crazy vignetting but the price is out of my reach. Also the 15mm CV isn't rangefinder coupled so I want to stay away from it (plus it's a tad too wide for my taste). I was looking at the 21mm Skopar and the 25mm Skopar. I hear that the 25mm Skopar has more vignetting than the 21mm (I know, weird...) but I'm not sure if this is true or not.

Does anyone have any lens recommendations based on personal experience or stories you may have heard?

Thanks!
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Hi, I have the Zeiss 21f4.5 for you! It vignettes pretty badly on the R-D1 at all apertures, much more than the Cosina Voigtlander 21f4. I own both and will keep the CV 21 since it is so small and convenient, and will probably get rid of the Zeiss. It is a very fine lens on film camera, but not at all to my taste on the R-D1... It is coupled also.
 
No, digital, maybe you should try to find some really old 1930's German lenses that are not Leica or some 1950's lenses from Japan that fit Leica mount that are not Nikon, I have a Canon that is pretty bad, but I like the bad for effect. Here is one of my lousy Japanese lens (not a Canon) that is a vignetter:

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Yes, definitely. Since the R-D1 is an M-mount, I'm greatly looking forward to testing out older lenses and some of the 'lousy' lenses out there. I've seen some examples of older Russian lenses that exhibit nice 'character' in the photos.
 
geez, you got your answer in the very first post! What are you whining about? No commercial lens is going to vignette strongly across all apertures... even a Holga doesn't vignette when you stop it down. Use a hood, cardboard mask or make a crappy lens yourself that doesn't have enough coverage for you RD-1 sensor.

I guess part of the puzzlement is someone shooting a digital camera and then implying that they wanted to remain a purist and avoid any PP...

>>I guess I came to the wrong place for some simple recommendations. :(
 
jim.hiram said:
kevin m- LOL :D

maddoc- I have heard and read that the R-D1 causes lenses that normally do not vignette on film bodies, to do so unexpectedly. It has to do with light entering the sensor on a steep angle.

Any R-D1 users here own a 25mm Skopar?
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I own the screw fit 25mm Skopar, it does vignette, but perhaps not as strongly as you want. It's also not rangefinder coupled and I thought you wanted a lens that was. The M fit by all accounts vignettes less. I don't own either the CV 15mm or CV 21mm, but from what I have seen these vignette more strongly on the R-D1 than the 25mm Skopar.
 
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Try these two, as they are both known to vignette like crazy:

-Russar 20mm f5.6

-Canon 19mm f3.5

I currently have the Russar, and it vignettes pretty strongly at all apertures. I also have a Canon 19mm f3.5 on order, and from what few sample shots I have seen so far this one appears to vignette even more strongly than the Russar.

Here are some samples from the Russar:

http://flickr.com/photos/sushicam/2847523141/

http://flickr.com/photos/sushicam/2833073462/
 
mh2000, I'm not whining at all. What made you think that? I was hoping to get simple answers like the ones provided by Jeff Laitlia and Jim Watts (btw, ty guys for the recommendations) like I stated in my post.

You're the one who kept multiple posting about PP the photos when I specifically mentioned I rather not PP my photos too much. How would you feel if you asked a question and I gave you an answer that I knew wouldn't help you and later tried to flame you?

Not everyone who shoots digital likes to sit in front of a computer afterward to manipulate what they shot. Yes, you can shoot an R-D1 and still be a 'purist'. That's the beauty of this particular machine IMHO.

mh2000 said:
geez, you got your answer in the very first post! What are you whining about? No commercial lens is going to vignette strongly across all apertures... even a Holga doesn't vignette when you stop it down. Use a hood, cardboard mask or make a crappy lens yourself that doesn't have enough coverage for you RD-1 sensor.

I guess part of the puzzlement is someone shooting a digital camera and then implying that they wanted to remain a purist and avoid any PP...

>>I guess I came to the wrong place for some simple recommendations. :(
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jim.hiram, you should really take a step back and chill out about this whole exchange. Your original post was unclear--you said you wanted a lens, but from the way you framed the question, it seemed as though perhaps you hadn't considered other, perhaps simpler and cheaper, possibilities. Now people know more specifically what you want, and they're trying to help you. There's no need to get into a shouting match. You have to understand that your desires here are kind of obscure, and you can't blame everyone for wanting to probe a bit for information.
 
Chill out? I'm confused Mabelsound. Are you implying that I'm worked up about something? And all of a sudden I'm in a shouting match? With who? I'm confused...Is this how this forum treats new members?

I want to know how my original post was unclear. I don't think it can get anymore specific than that. I apologize if my question is 'obscure', but I've seen stranger questions asked on this forum in the past.

I have only been appreciative of the recommendations I have received from some of the members here. But I must say I was puzzled to receive so many PP/program recommendations when I specifically stated I didn't want to PP my photos. I just wanted lens recommendations. Simple as that. This is the R-D1 rangefinder forum discussion. Not Photoshop/Lightroom tips and tricks discussion.

mabelsound said:
jim.hiram, you should really take a step back and chill out about this whole exchange. Your original post was unclear--you said you wanted a lens, but from the way you framed the question, it seemed as though perhaps you hadn't considered other, perhaps simpler and cheaper, possibilities. Now people know more specifically what you want, and they're trying to help you. There's no need to get into a shouting match. You have to understand that your desires here are kind of obscure, and you can't blame everyone for wanting to probe a bit for information.
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It's the internet! You just have to ignore the comments that aren't helpful and express your gratitude for the ones that are. Otherwise you come off seeming to be disappointed in people for helping you incorrectly.

I think the most important thing to remember, to get back on topic, is that pretty much all super-wides vignette on the R-D1. If I'm not mistaken, much of the "natural" vignetting of a lens--that is, its typical light fall-off pattern--won't even show up on the R-D1, because the sensor is cropped, and that vignetting is outside the frame. Regardless of what wide you're using, you'll get vignetting due to the oblique angle of light to the microlenses. (again, this is new knowledge to me--I learned it in the thread I started on the 15mm heliar.) In other words, you get the "native" vignetting of the camera, not the particular vignette "character" of the lens.

With this in mind, the people who suggested a homemade cardboard hood are probably closest to giving you what you want. This would at least create a unique "signature" vignette.

Anyone should feel free to correct me if I'm getting this technical stuff wrong...
 
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Regarding the cardboard hood idea, I'm reminded of the homemade cardboard masks Diane Arbus made in order to give her photos that special "soft" framing when she printed them. You could make something really cool and unusual, in the same spirit.
 
I have 25mm skopar and it vignettes. Im the guy who LOVES vignetting as you! You can use Epson program which can enhance the effects of vignetting also. I have 21 Angulon which has the record of extreme vignetting (it is due internal body of Rd1 which blocks some light rays severly. But is Lovely! :D welcome to the devil forum lol
 
most of the wider lenses vignette to some extent when wide open due to the shorter focal length and its affect of the angle that the light ultimately hits the sensor. different element configurations and flavours obviously have an impact on this. as mentioned previously, it's more of a 'less exposed' vignette than an obstructed/diffracted vignette which i've found to sometimes even slightly alter the colour and/or noise properties at the corners.

was there a particular focal length that you were looking to shoot (taking crop factor into account)?
 
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