IIIa shutter-advice needed please

midniteson

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Hi,
My IIIa seems to have a problem on the 1/1000th setting.
The curtains travel across together and there is no gap between them.
All other speeds seem fine, and I am guessing this is a tension problem??
I have already disassembled and reassembled the camera (it is not a museum piece !) so am not frightened of getting my hands dirty 🙂
Could someone advise me on the correct steps to take to rectify this?
Thanks in advance.
 
Hopefully I'm not talking out of my backside here but I understand there are *two* shutter release pawls (not sure which models had this arrangement but I think it's all with 1/1000th). One pawl sets the gap for 1/1000th, the other sets it for the remainder. Check if that one needs adjustment? If the other speeds work ok then I'd suspect that, rather than tensions.

Hopefully someone with direct experience will chip in with more info here (and tell me if I am right or not!).
 
Shutter adjustment

Shutter adjustment

There is actually precious little that is adjuatable in the old Leicas. I have included a picture here, taken for other purposes and unfortunately at the wrong angle, but which may still help.
The operation of the highest speeds depends on free movement of the shutter components, and your problem is most commonly caused by a dirty mechanism. The slit width is determined entirely by the relative position of two tabs on the rotating mechanism, which is itself determined entirely by the shutter dial position. However if crud slows the initial movement of the leading curtain the trailing curtain will catch up to it before it enters the film aperture.

ShutterCU.jpg


Thoroughly clean all parts of the rotating mechanism with a mild solvent. I do this using rinsing solution intended for ultrasonic watch cleaners. I hold the camera upside down over a bowl of this stuff, and using a brush, apply liberal amounts of it to the mechanism. It just drips back into the bowl taking the crud with it. I believe mineral spirits will do the job equally well. You will probably see your problem resolved while the mechanism is still slightly wet from thesolvent, but that won't last when it is dry. Dry it off as well as possible with a blower, and then apply light oil on two places where the components of the shutter mechanism rotate relative to each other. (Hard to explain, but study the mechanism and you will see what I mean). While you have the camera apart, clean up the shutter brake cam on the bottom, and put a drop of oil under it as well.

Leave the camera apart until you know that the solvent is all evaporated and the oil is doing its bit, to make sure the fix is consistent. If that does not do the trick, I'm afraid you will need to take the whole camera apart and clean and lubricate the whole shutter , a tedious and unpleasant job.

Good luck.

Cheers,
Dez
 
If the curtain won't open anywhere along the travel at 1/1000, and the curtain travel times are correct a 1/20, then the curtains are mounted wrong. Until the IIIc, the only way to get the top two shutter speeds right is by mounting the shutter curtains at the right location.

You may be able to put some masking tape on the closing curtiain drum, under the cloth, to make it bigger, so the curtain pays out a little later.

In the IIIc, there are eccentrics on the second curtain latch that can be used to fine tune 1/500 and 1/1000.
 
There is no 1/1000th shutter speed adjustment of the IIIa. If after a CLA you still can't get 1/1000th then the curtains have been replaced by a non-Leitz tech.

The only way to obtain this speed is by proper placement/gluing of the closing curtain on the main shutter drum which most non-Leitz techs can't seem to get..
 
Thanks Dez.... i owe you a beer 🙂
Working great now...though i did get the backing plate located the wrong way round first time ..d'oh...sorted now and all seems good 🙂
 
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