IIIc/f evaluation and CLA in Germany

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I have just bought my first Rangefinder-camera; a nice-looking 1950 IIIc, which has at some point been upgraded to a IIIf BD ST - the shop sold it as a IIIc, and for the usual going price of such cameras where I live, so I didn't complain. After a bit of searching, it seems these conversions are more common than I first thought; does anyone have any estimates of how many were made? Also, are they worth any more (or less...) than unconverted IIIc's?

Anyway, this being my first "mechanical" camera, I find it difficult to evaluate the condition of this one. The shop has a nice 30-day return policy, so no harm is done so far. I really like the thing, and I feel like it's in pretty good condition for its age, but I would still like an expert's opinion on a few things.

First of all, there is a noticeable amount of play in the advance knob and the fast shutter dial. I'd say it is less than 1/2 mm, but it is still visible. It doesn't really bother me, but I would like to know if it is a sign of excessive wear. The numbers in the film speed reminder also aren't perfectly centered, so the preceeding numbers are slightly visible, but as the dial doesn't go very high anyway this is a non-issue.

Secondly (and for me, more worryingly) a slight screeching sound can sometimes be heard when advancing the film, as if the camera needs a CLA. Can using the camera in this condition cause it to wear down quickly?

Thirdly, I would like to know how bright the RF usually is on such a camera. I find it perfectly usable under most conditions, although prone to flare, but the dot from the right hand window is a lot dimmer than the one from the left hand one. I suppose this is to be expected, even with a new beam splitter.

Lastly is a question about the 1951 50mm Summitar I bought with it. It was the cheapest Leica lens they had in the shop, but I think the optics looked quite decent. A lot of dust on the inside, and a few small scratches here and there, but I couldn't see much fog or any signs of separation, although my final judgement will have to wait until I have had a few rolls through the camera. But mechanically, it doesn't feel quite as smooth as I expected a Leica lens to feel like. It is a bit stiff, although I can usually still move the lever with one finger, and it tends to stick in place sometimes. Also, there is some play in it as well, causing it to give audible "clonk" sounds occasionally, when changing direction of the focusing ring. I suspect it needs to have the threads cleaned and lubricated, which I might end up doing myself.

If I keep the camera (I think I will, unless you advise otherwise - I have grown fond of it already) I plan on sending it somewhere for a thorough CLA; probably somewhere in Germany or the Netherlands. Fotomechanik Reinhardt seems like a good place. Does anyone know how much it would likely cost? Being a poor student I would like to find a place that doesn't charge an arm and a leg, but they should of course do a good job...
 
You can get a quote from Reinhardt pretty easily.
Just write them an email, or give them a call.

From experience their prices aren't bad and you have to put in relation, that you'd have extendet shipping time and charges, when you'd have it done abroad.

Apart from that, Will van Manen has a good reputation: http://www.kamera-service.info/
 
Thanks a lot for your comments!
I'll contact Reinhardt about the prices. £130 is about what I expected. Does this include spare parts etc.?

I don't think I have much of a choice regarding getting the work done abroad. I live in Denmark, and I haven't heard about any respected Leica mechanics here...

Could you tell me if there is any "play" or looseness in the advance knob and shutter dial on your cameras? I would hate to send the camera to Hannover only to find out I have bought a dog.
 
There's quite a few mm's play in the advance knob of my IIIf - doesn't bother me though. Also a bit of play in the shutter speed dial should be normal.

From what I heard you'll rather pay something in the 300€-400€ Euro range for a barnack CLA at Reinhardt - just rumours, though, you'll find out.
 
spare parts are usually not included. many people who send their leicas in for a cla end up with new shutter curtains and thus twice the price to pay. I bought mine about 5 years ago and just take it out to shoot and it still works fine although i've been using it at least once a week since then. I'd recommend shooting a few rolls first.
 
300-400? Wow, that's more than I paid for the camera... If that's the case, I'll probably go somewhere else, or perhaps exchange it for an M2/M3 if those are cheaper to service (or if I find one that doesn't need it).

Nice to know about the play, though. If it wasn't for that occasional screech when advancing the film, I would consider using it as-is. It also seems to be getting better the more I use it - I suppose it has been lying unused for quite a while.
 
As far as the price goes: as i said, ask them, it's only rumours.

Others on here may disagree but if you want to use the camera, just use it and if it works it works and no cla is needed. If you encounter light leaks or other problems you can still think about what to do with it...
 
Nice to know about the play, though. If it wasn't for that occasional screech when advancing the film, I would consider using it as-is. It also seems to be getting better the more I use it - I suppose it has been lying unused for quite a while.

That was also my experience, it's now much smoother than 5 years ago, just from frequent use. The screeching thing sounds not that good, though, i agree. have you checked if there's a piece of film between the shutter (you can do that by firing in B or T setting). Sometimes happens when people load it with badly cut film...
 
spare parts are usually not included. many people who send their leicas in for a cla end up with new shutter curtains and thus twice the price to pay. I bought mine about 5 years ago and just take it out to shoot and it still works fine although i've been using it at least once a week since then. I'd recommend shooting a few rolls first.

To me, it looks like the curtains are OK; here are no visible tears or holes, and they appear nice and smooth. If there are pinholes, then I guess I will find out when I develop the first film, and then it should be covered by the shop under their warranty. If not, well... I'll just hope that they don't have to be replaced 😉
I doubt I can get the shop to pay if there is no functional error yet.
 
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