I'm Staying!

Kim Coxon

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There has been quite a lot going on recently which has caused me to reflect on the site and in particular the talk of leaving. I am reminded of the old phrase "you can please some of the people all of the time and you can please all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time."

There have been a few complaints recently. Some have complained that it is not as nice as it was; some have complained that it is too nice. Some have complained about assumptions that they have made which are false and some have complained about figments of their imagination. Some of it has been quite amusing. One of the abilities a mod has is to "see" deleted posts. A short while ago, Bill spent nearly the whole day writing posts and promptly deleting them, it was quite an impressive effort! Shortly afterwards, there was a post about censorship and how bad it was. Several jumped on the bandwagon until it was pointed out that it Bill himself who was doing it. Then, Bill makes a post saying he has decided to leave and posts start appearing on how terrible it is that he has been banned. However, though it may be irritating to read some of these, they are far outweighed by the vast amount of good things.

Inspiration
I get a huge amount of inspiration from the site whether it is in the galleries, the technique threads or even the gear threads. I have started to think about the effect of lens construction rather than just focal length, the attributes of film rather than my "standard" stock, better use of filters and the galleries make me want to go out and take better photos.

Generosity
I appreciate the generosity of many members of this forum for the bits and spares they have sent me free. In turn it helps me to be more generous and I try to return some of the "repair" projects I have been donated.

Knowledge
There are very many questions asked here from repairs and technical questions to advice on film gear etc. The amazing thing is that just about all of them are answered in very short order. Some of the advice is conflicting but it is all useful. I can at least make a short list of things to try. It has also prompted me to go back to some of the technical books I have not picked up in a long time and in doing so have given me a much deeper understanding of the things I use especially of the lenses and film. Without the initial help and encouragement I had here, I would never have been able to try and sort lenses out.

Compassion
Life isn't always perfect but I have been touched by the messages and the support that others have shown when things go wrong. Shortly after joining and whilst still a newbie, my mother died. The messages I received from those few that knew helped as did all the messages when my wife and daughter were ill. I know of few other forums where people start getting concerned and ask questions if somebody stops posting for a while and I am sure others have been affected in the same way.

Friendship
I have got to "know" people on various forums but this is the only one where I have felt I really want to meet them in person as well. Several of those are fast becoming friends as well.

Stimulation
One thing this place never is boring. It doesn't change so fast that you can't keep up but there is always something new. Members go but new ones keep coming and thanks to Jorge, the site itself keeps evolving. Some of these changes might not always be welcome by all but at least the ideas and conversation is fresh. I have tried places where there is a huge fund of information and it is great for a few weeks but after a while the same people are saying the same things in the same threads and the place just stagnates.

Sponsors
We have the best bunch of sponsors here. They run businesses and have to make money. Despite this they offer good deals to members and as a result of their generosity, you can take part, contribute and benefit from the forum for free.

The People
I have left the best to last. None of the above would be possible without the members. This place is multi national, multi cultural and multi just about everything else with a very diverse range of views and ideas. This is what makes it so interesting and diverse. Now unless you look at the public profiles or know the person, most of the time you can't tell age or background and sometimes (as happened recently) even the sex is mistaken. The fascinating thing is that it doesn't matter one iota and it is largely irrrelevant to what goes on!

From a purely photographic point of view, I probably have more interest in SLRs than I do RFs and yet this is where I spent most of my online time. To me this place "rocks". OK it may not be perfect but what place is? Some have left and some are thinking of leaving. That is a personal decision but I for one am staying and will do my best to keep this place the best on the net. I might make some mistakes along the way but, then again, I am only human. Thank you Jorge for providing this place and thank you fellow members for allowing me to share it with you.

Sorry for the long post but I feel better for it!

Kim
 
Although I'm not fully aware of the "problems," I think RFF is among the best photography sites for all the reasons you described so well. It definitely is inspiring.
 
The most important thing here is the broad spectrum, from folders to digital, from diafine to inkjet, from diaphragm shapes to invading england and all mostly rangefinder related.

Let's leave it that way!
 
I feel the exact same way about RFF as Kim. I miss those that have left (Bill, Brian Sweeney, Roman) but I enjoy the new members we have as well. Cest la vie, change is a constant. This is a great place.
 
As a relative newbie and pretty bad photographer, I appreciate all that you mention about RFF, and view with some bemusement the flagellating that goes on by some of our more vocal members. I've said it before and will do so again: that's just ego getting in the way of a good thing. Bill is only the latest example. He's a guy with tremendous personality and strong views, which you're either going to love or hate. Many of us can't stand to be hated by so many, and don't need to be loved by so many, either, so we chart a more diplomatic and arguably boring course through life. Maybe there's more staying power there. But if you're going to be controversial, you have to learn to make your point and then move on, lest the naysayers drag you down. I hope Bill comes back (minus the film is dead jabs, of course), and that everyone else just chills out. Here's a rule of thumb: if you disagree with something, say your peace once and then quit. And only complain to a moderator when a rule or ethical violation has taken place, not because your little ego has been bruised.
 
Having been a member since Jan 2004, I can't remember very many obnoxious posts on this forum. On the rare occasions when I thought things were getting out of hand, I just ignored it and continued on to the next thread. There is no reason for anyone to get bent out of shape over a post on a hobby forum. There are so many nice helpful people on this forum that I don't understand why anyone would want to leave. 😀
 
My computer is broken. I'm using the one at the the public library to hastily deal with e-mails etc. - and to have a quick peep into RFF. Not any other sites - RFF feels "personal"; it's a place that commands loyalty and real affection: a place of good friends and diverse opinions. I think of it as something like an artist's cafe in the great days of Montmatre... In the few remaining moments before my time is up and some spotty youth pulls the keyboard from my claw-like hands, I'd just like to say that I think Kim said it all!

Cheers, Ian
 
Nice messge, Kim... and with a lot of truth in it! I've always been astounded (and depressed) when folks are having a bad day (or life) and choose to share it with the forum via mean-spirited/arrogant messages. Hopefully that is a thing of the past. I've contemplated leaving, but haven't...exactly, but I don't spend as much time at RFF and I am much more selective about what I read!
 
I find it myself amazing here that the oppinion and "rights" of a 20 y old member are respected on the same level as the one of a 80 y old member. This is really rare in real life.

Kim, you are one of the best people here, don't even think about leaving the site ok?
 
I agree with all that's been said. I continue to be amazed at both the depths of knowlege available here and the generous spirit that shares that knowlege so willingly, even to newbies like myself! I have NEVER been insulted or degraded by fellow members comments and I know I suffer from "foot in mouth" disease regularly!
Thanks, Jorge, and all of you for making me feel like I'm a member of the world's biggest extended family. I look forward to many more years with you all and the hope that someday I'll actually have something of value to contribute, whether photos or experience! (At least with Macs I AM an expert, so if you need help...)
 
I have been away from the forum and photography for some time and missed the show, I'm glad I did. Last year when I bought a Bessa R, I came here for advice on a 50mm lens. A nice gentleman in England sent me a J-8 at HIS EXPENSE. That act impressed me very much. I later bought a FSU camera from him and lenses from others on here with no problems.

Whenever I need advice, I come here for answers. I even use some of the advice. 😛
The people on here are a very helpful and when I do not agree with something I move to another thread.

For photography, this is my home.
 
Man, I must really be in the dark. Why did Brian, Roman, and Bill leave? Was Bill kicked off? I have noticed that Fred - Yossarian, hasn't been around as well.
 
Lots of good thoughts here:

I don't read every thread I see. Some just don't interest me because I don't own the equipment talked about, others because I am not interested based on the topic title. I probably miss some good stuff, and I am sure I miss a lot that would just bore me personally.

If I see something I disagree with, I sometimes make a comment. If it's one of those things where a person is being attacked or insulted, frankly I am less likely to comment. That's the job of the Mods. But if I do, I sure try to be civil and keep to the high road. At least I try.

This forum is truely unique with the vast knowledge expressed by such a diverse group. I can learn not only about photography, RF specifically, but also different cultures and nationalties. Maybe everyone doesn't, but I like that. Like Kim, I have and still am, biased towards SLR. I have a lot of SLR gear. But I also have some RF which I like a lot. My only problem is right now my life doesn't permit me to do as much of the kind of photography I like, so I just don't do much.

That doesn't mean I don't enjoy it here and don't learn a lot. I do. This is my favorite place to be. I used to spend a lot time at Popular Phography and Imaging's forum. I seldom go there now, even thought there are some good people there too. I just feel more comfortable here. Part of it is the film bias here I guess. But there is much more to it than that as others have already stated.

I don't plan on leaving either, not that I would probably be missed if I did. But if I do, it certainly won't be because of anything anyone says to me. I don't have time for petty arguments and don't intend to engage in them. If I do, I won't be run off. Nobody but Jorge or a Mod can do that to me. I have been set upon by experts and still survived in life. I just have too thick a skin to be bothered by what someone can say here. I mean really, if you believe in yourself and what you say, what difference if or how others disagree?

Hope all of you feel the same, because I would miss any who left, even if I thought their reason for leaving was a little small minded or because their egos were too easily bruised. In my opinion, all here are to valuable to leave over words.

Cheers
 
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Oh I definitely agree 110%, I am not even contemplating the possibility of leaving; however I am sorry that Bill left, and I wonder if it is something we did, or if he simply threw all his toys out of the pram.
 
This forum has inspired me to take a course in photography, upgrade my equipment, start my own darkroom, and get out and enjoy life again.....what used to be chores often become photo-ops now. Add to that the pleasure of talking to interesting people from all over the world, and meeting great and knowledgable members from the surrounding areas, and you you have some idea of what this forum means to me.
I've visited other forums and nothing comes close to this one.
 
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