Emile de Leon
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That 28mm F5.6 Summaron..has instant edge burning built right in...
Leica has done it again..lol..
Nice photo and rendition..!
Leica has done it again..lol..
Nice photo and rendition..!
Impressions of the M10
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ptpdprinter
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Thanks. My mind is working so slowly, I think I responded to the wrong thread! I handled the M10 at the Leica Store SF and came away very impressed. It may be only a few mm thinner than the 240, but it makes a big difference in handling, particularly for someone with smaller hands.
maggieo
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ptpdprinter - Actually, this thread is aimed at impressions of the M10 rather than its price.
Anyone is welcome to post M10 photos.
M10 | Summaron f/5.6 28mm | ISO 1600
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Great color and microcontrast in that one, Mitch!
robert blu
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Nowhereman
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Thanks, Emile. Actually, removing the vignetting of this new lens is trivial, if you apply the Lightroom, and presumably Photoshop, Lens Correction facility manually, rather than automatically. However, so far I haven't found the need or desirability to do so.
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Nowhereman
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Thanks for the kind words.
My experience with the M10 is that one can fairly well reproduce the color rendition of the M9 by increasing contrast and applying a cooler WB. For this purpose, with Lightroom, I can either use, as a starting point, a preset that a photographer friend sent me, or use some VSCO presets, also with adjustments. The VSCO presets I've found especially useful for this purpose are:
—VSCO Film 06 Push & Pull presets [L - Portra 800⁺¹ -] and [L - Portra 400⁺¹ -], and sometimes
—VSCO Film 05 preset [L - Kodak Ektar 100 -].
For B&W, similar to the M9, I've found Silver Efex gives me results that I like better than using Lightroom alone or than using VSCO B&W presets. However, I find it useful to first try one of the VSCO 06 Tri-X presets, usually [L - Tri-X⁺3 -], in order to judge the look that I want to go for in SEFEX.
On the micro contrast that Maggie mentions, one thing I've found in terms of rendition, both in color and B&W, is that application of Clarity as high as in the +30-40 range, or even higher, does not result in "haloes" in M10 images, unlike those one gets in M9 or, even worse in MM, images.
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@michaelbialecki
@robert blu
@maggieo
Thanks for the kind words.
My experience with the M10 is that one can fairly well reproduce the color rendition of the M9 by increasing contrast and applying a cooler WB. For this purpose, with Lightroom, I can either use, as a starting point, a preset that a photographer friend sent me, or use some VSCO presets, also with adjustments. The VSCO presets I've found especially useful for this purpose are:
—VSCO Film 06 Push & Pull presets [L - Portra 800⁺¹ -] and [L - Portra 400⁺¹ -], and sometimes
—VSCO Film 05 preset [L - Kodak Ektar 100 -].
For B&W, similar to the M9, I've found Silver Efex gives me results that I like better than using Lightroom alone or than using VSCO B&W presets. However, I find it useful to first try one of the VSCO 06 Tri-X presets, usually [L - Tri-X⁺3 -], in order to judge the look that I want to go for in SEFEX.
On the micro contrast that Maggie mentions, one thing I've found in terms of rendition, both in color and B&W, is that application of Clarity as high as in the +30-40 range, or even higher, does not result in "haloes" in M10 images, unlike those one gets in M9 or, even worse in MM, images.
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maggieo
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The M10 really suits you, Mitch.
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maggieo
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I totally rely on Silver Efex Pro, too.
victoriapio
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Perhaps Rangefinder Forum.com, or some wealthy Leica owner, should buy Silver Pro Efex 😎
robert blu
quiet photographer
I also find that Silver Efex can give a look very interesting for B&W and I'm also worried for the future...time to look for an alternative?
robert
PS: back to the topic very positive impressions from the M10...
robert
PS: back to the topic very positive impressions from the M10...
cz23
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Yeah, that's certainly a problem with Silver Efex. I've tried others but find it best. I'm also concerned about a future release of LR not supporting it. I've had plug-ins that no longer work with LR upgrades.
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Larry Cloetta
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Once you have gotten accustomed to using it, and provided the files are rich enough to begin with, I'd agree that there is currently no other software which can provide the results Silver Efex Pro can, if those are the results one is looking for. I have had the software since it was something you actually paid Nik for, and it wasn't cheap. I'd gladly pay for it all over again if it was still being maintained and future proof.
What I have never seen explained, and would be interested in from someone who actually knows instead of just guessing, is why Google bought the company in the first place if it was just going to kill it. At the time I just thought, "Oh boy, Sergey Brin must be a photographer who is also an altruist, and he's giving all his photographer friends a huge gift." Which was stupid, even for me.
What I have never seen explained, and would be interested in from someone who actually knows instead of just guessing, is why Google bought the company in the first place if it was just going to kill it. At the time I just thought, "Oh boy, Sergey Brin must be a photographer who is also an altruist, and he's giving all his photographer friends a huge gift." Which was stupid, even for me.
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Nowhereman
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Yes, I'll start another thread on the Silver Efex problem.
Coming back to the M10, it's a great camera. As relatively few people have it, the pictures one sees from it on the web, including mine, still don't really show how good it can be.
BTW, on the last B&W picture above: the greater dynamic range, compared to the Leica M9, helps to get the look I want — and the superb ISO 3200 is better than that of the M240 for this high-contrast look.
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Emile de Leon
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I want to go there..!..^^
raid
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Do you find major improvements with the M10 (as compared with the M9 or M240) for color photos in daylight?
airfrogusmc
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Good stuff Mitch. I received my M 10 a week ago and I have already shot a couple of assignments with it after testing it out really well. I got mine from Murphy Camera in Louisville. Kevin Murphy is great to deal with. I also bought my MM there 5 years ago. I was on several lists and Murphy's was the first to come through. It was also that way with the MM.
I have found that it is at least two stops better (maybe a touch more) at high ISO than my M 262 is. 20.000 looks good.
It's also the most responsive digital M I have shot with. With all the info at a glance even if the camera is off is a plus for me. A glance down and you see the ISO, shutter speed and aperture because it's all there on top. Also if you pull the ISO dial up unlocking it you can change it with the thumb on your left hand. It locks when its down so it wont change accidentally when being stored or if you bump it.
Good write up Mitch and enjoy. Looks like you are off to a fine start with it.
Here's a link to some quick test shots that I did at 20,000 over at FM.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/920070/1473#14105904
No noise reduction.
I have found that it is at least two stops better (maybe a touch more) at high ISO than my M 262 is. 20.000 looks good.
It's also the most responsive digital M I have shot with. With all the info at a glance even if the camera is off is a plus for me. A glance down and you see the ISO, shutter speed and aperture because it's all there on top. Also if you pull the ISO dial up unlocking it you can change it with the thumb on your left hand. It locks when its down so it wont change accidentally when being stored or if you bump it.
Good write up Mitch and enjoy. Looks like you are off to a fine start with it.
Here's a link to some quick test shots that I did at 20,000 over at FM.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/920070/1473#14105904
No noise reduction.
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Nowhereman
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airfrogusmc - Glad you were able to snag one now. I'm sure you'll love it and will do great stuff with it. I'm pretty much in agreement with everything you say about it. Also, I find that I'm not missing my MM because conversions from M10 color to B&W are so easy and flexible.
raid - I'm not an authority on the M240. On the color compared with the M9, I essentially agree with what Andy Piper ("adan") recently wrote on LUF: essentially that the M10 has substantially more dynamic range and that the Leica profile for it goes part of the way towards the "transparency film look" of the M9 — and that the files are so malleable that you can increase contrast and go for the M9 look or process the files in the other direction towards a negative color film or even an HDR look. Also, my feeling is that, as you start processing an image, the M10 often needs to be roughed up if you want the magic of the M9 look. I should add, though, that the white balance is generally better than that of the M9.
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raid - I'm not an authority on the M240. On the color compared with the M9, I essentially agree with what Andy Piper ("adan") recently wrote on LUF: essentially that the M10 has substantially more dynamic range and that the Leica profile for it goes part of the way towards the "transparency film look" of the M9 — and that the files are so malleable that you can increase contrast and go for the M9 look or process the files in the other direction towards a negative color film or even an HDR look. Also, my feeling is that, as you start processing an image, the M10 often needs to be roughed up if you want the magic of the M9 look. I should add, though, that the white balance is generally better than that of the M9.
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Alone in Bangkok essay on BURN Magazine
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