Is Digital slowly taking over on RRF?

A very good point. I do exactly this, shooting a film camera and scanning the negs as quite low res jpegs on the web. A couple of times I have asked myself if it is worth the effort and tried a friends M8 (My first RF was an Epson R-D1s). But every time when looking at the files from the SD card I miss something ... developing film myself, experimenting with different films and developer belongs to the process of taking a photo for me. As long as film is available for not much $$$, I will continue using that medium.

And it's a fact that even most of those who shoot film cameras these days scan the negs and show their photos as low res jpegs on the web. If the web is the ultimate destination of your photos, shooting film simply complicates the process without adding real value. It's simpler just to shoot digital to start with.

Yeah, I know, digital cameras don't have the sex appeal of old film cameras, but still....
 
I am not a professional, not even a very good photographer and I use digital for family gatherings, outings and events.
I use and process bw film just because it is an interesting challenge although I swear off it almost every month or two.
Now I have an M coming in the mail along with some tri-x so here I go again. There is a tradition associated with it that I like.
Bottom line?: I'll keep doing both.
 
I find it interesting that the micro four-thirds cameras have been a bit of a game-changer here - perhaps more so than the M8 or m9 - although maybe I'm just projecting my personal opinion.
 
I will continue using RF cameras until it becomes problematic for me to do so. It takes a certain mind set to accept digtal cameras as compared to Leica or Contax or Canon RF cameras or similar beauties from the past. If I had been a professional photographer, I would use 95% digital cameras.

May film photography never leave this world. It still has soul in it. It would be [for me] a dark "photography world" if film photography goes away.

Would you in evenings while watching TV and drinking some hot drink with your families actually just hold a digital camera in your hands to admire the craftmanship and history that went into its production?

I never do this with my LUMIX digital camera with Leica lens. On the other hand, I have admired a Contax IIa or a Standard Leica or a Voigtlander Prominent or Kodak Retina IIa or ... and each time, I marveled at the beauty of each of these cameras and the lenses they come with. There is warmth in the feelings felt when imagining myself using such a lens and camera the following days. I don't feel such warmth when I take a look at my only digital camera and when I know I would be using it the following day.
 
It will always be FILM for me.
Therefore, In the final consequence, I´m prepared to make my own materials and I´m sure I wont be alone. So if Kodak/ Fuji are quitting the job somebody will be around to overtake it. Even though not on a large scale level we are/ were use to. I think it´s not only a question of salesnumbers and turnaround- it´s a question of mans will, too. If I want to shoot analog/film - I will shoot film ( s. o.).
Apart from that I know many artists ( myself included) who will never give up on the multiple possibilities of the analog photographic process to achieve an individual expression of their artistic work. There is no substitute for that - and even if so, it will only be a substitute.

In the end Film and digital will live side by side as oil color and tempera do.

Cheers to all.
Gottfried
 
Brian, if you owned a company with a product whose sales continued to drop in double digits, quarter after quarter, how long would you keep producing it? Kodak and Fuji are not benevolent organizations.

Cine film is mostly 35mm. Apparently digital won't be used for motion pictures for quite some time, despite the obvious cost reduction that would entail for a feature film. I've used colour cine film from both Kodak & Fuji in my 35mm cameras partly because I have had a place to get it processed, and mostly because I like cine film. Getting it processed is the only problem with using colour cine film for stills, one I now face, so I'm looking to try C41 chemistry on it. Because I have acquired 600 feet of cine film stock for $95, I might as well experiment.

Tom A has experimented with Kodak Double-X (5222) film with results you can check out on his flickr site. I'll try that myself when I work through all the Fuji Neopan 400 & 1600 I bought too much of.
 
Would you in evenings while watching TV and drinking some hot drink with your families actually just hold a digital camera in your hands to admire the craftmanship and history that went into its production?] --- Film-or digital, they would probably think 'the old man had flipped' Raid! 😉

Never a digital camera, David. 😀
 
Cine film is mostly 35mm. Apparently digital won't be used for motion pictures for quite some time, despite the obvious cost reduction that would entail for a feature film.

Shooting high budget is more digital cine than 35mm, shooting low budget is more HD video than 16mm - but there is a very wide area in between where HDV is not up to specs and digital cine is not in budget.

Likewise, film is staying in the distribution chain, for quite a while - few prestige theatres have been converted to a digital projection above FullHD, the bulk of now "digital" theatres are in reality merely rural cinemas or smaller rooms in multiplexes downconverted to video.
 
I find it interesting that the micro four-thirds cameras have been a bit of a game-changer here - perhaps more so than the M8 or m9 - although maybe I'm just projecting my personal opinion.

Perhaps not the M4/3 format itself but certainly the EVF available, or EVIL totally.

Personally, I have accepted the 800 x 400 x RGB unit built-in the GH-1 as good enough. [I have 20/20 vision at infinity and need +2.0 reading glasses.]; the lower resolution in the GF-1 add-on EVF unit not so.

I have not viewed through the EP-2 EVF unit [said to be of the same spec. as the GH-1 unit, but built with an Epson chip...]

Bottom line, the Epson chip has a pixel size of 12 microns and a diagonal size of 12mm, small enough for such applications. However, the next generation chip will have smaller pixel size and/or higher resolution...finer than the best ground glass...

The M4/3 cameras all have body dimension slightly smaller than an M-camera, leaving room for add-on's such as an M-adapter. [Merely making up the focal distance difference of 8mm.]

In digital imaging, image size is measured in [square] pixels, not square mm...so long as the pixels are sensitive enough without electronic boosting. Clinging onto the FF format is a legacy of lenses already in use. I am sure the Leicaphiles won't attack the [Leica] prime or zoom lenses Panasonic offered.

To built a camera body in brick-like solidity is easy...any CNC machines can do that job.

Viewing, focusing, or composing -by-wire cannot be a legitimate criticism. With 100% life-view before and during the fact, and chimping afterwards; autofocusing available and manual focusing permitted...what else might we want?

Imagine Leica trying to do all that for the M10 but keeping the M9 pricing.😀
 
The "falling film sales" arguement is not complete. Yes film sales continue to fall, but from where? From where they were when they were the only option? From where they were when their were multiple options? Yes, that's obvious.

With that being said there is a market. Someone will continue to fill it.
 
Film was a relic of history...

Imagine your grand children's reaction when you describe a product that had to be kept in the dark...ideally also refrigerated; reload only after so few pictures; processed in toxic chemicals; then enlarged with a contraction based on a light bulb [what is a light bulb, grandpa?]; and yellows if not "fixed" properly...

I am glad Dr. Erwin Land did not live to see his life work being so irrevocably marginalized...nor did George Eastman.

Had Kodak kept up with the times, the new slogan would be: "you can push the button...because we have already done the rest."
 
I am 21 year old and just started using film. So it hink I can be considered a new convert.The M9 is defintely in my want list. I did consider selling my M7 after the M9 but I think they co exist. Film looks different. Sometimes you just want that look. And film made me take better pictures and getting back to the basics is quite enriching. About being trigger happy... It time to find those 512 Mb SD cards =) I not selling my M7 might even get an M6 after the M9. Why? I think have become a leica fanboy. I feel that those can afford should get an M9 and support Leica. Fact is rangefinder photography is basically leica's If we dont support them basically we are in bad shape in the LR. Assuming I have a 40 year horizon left.....
 
I am 21 year old and just started using film. So it hink I can be considered a new convert.The M9 is defintely in my want list. I did consider selling my M7 after the M9 but I think they co exist. Film looks different. Sometimes you just want that look. And film made me take better pictures and getting back to the basics is quite enriching. About being trigger happy... It time to find those 512 Mb SD cards =) I not selling my M7 might even get an M6 after the M9. Why? I think have become a leica fanboy. I feel that those can afford should get an M9 and support Leica. Fact is rangefinder photography is basically leica's If we dont support them basically we are in bad shape in the LR. Assuming I have a 40 year horizon left.....
you silly boy! - go out and chase girls...with all that spare cash! 😀😉
 
Funny how a discussion could evolve...

I know scanners, unlike most RFF members know of scanners. I had even led engineering teams to developed two of them...23 x 23cm film format, 5 micron resolution, <2 micron X/Y error, cost $100k+...all for mapping from film imagery in a digital system, until digital cameras took hold.

The reason why scanners exist at all is to convert hardcopy imagery for a digital world.

Kodak was a leader in my field [aerial surveys and photogrammetry], until digital marginalized them, as was Agfa, also Ilford.

Kodak tried to develop a printing system and failed. Agfa offered a scanner and was summarily dismissed. Ilford didn't even try.

There will always be someone wanting to buy film. However, no manufacturer could survive on hobbyists alone. What was consumed in a single aerial photo mission was more than most of us used in a life time...how many 35mm frames are there in a 400' 9.5" wide Kodak 2405 roll?

Remember the 35mm film was originally movie stock adopted by Oskar...it was not developed for Leica users.

Digital movie camera replacements are immenent. Soon, even the 70mm format would be threatened.

Whatelse?
 
Cine film is mostly 35mm. Apparently digital won't be used for motion pictures for quite some time, despite the obvious cost reduction that would entail for a feature film.

Where are you getting that info? Digital capture gains market share every day in the filming of commercials and features...
 
Movie houses mostly use film projectors, most of which are 35mm. Even if the movie is made using digital, it is transferred to film for most movie houses. Reliable digital projectors for the average movie house is a bit off yet.

Film was profitable enough in the 19th century to make it, and sales were far less than what they are now. Production will follow demand, and prices will follow what people are willing to pay. There is still money to be made, someone will want to make it,
 
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