Is it just me or do digital "photographers" complain a lot?

N.delaRua said:
Currently, the internet is awash with highly passionate "photographers" who complain about every single possible omission under the sun. Then their is the sensor comparisons, which everyone is a resident expert at, but no one compares prints.


Anyone else observe something similar?
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You're confusing gearheads with photographers. Photographers use the equipment they have and quietly go about doing what they need to do with it to make the images they need to. Gearheads are madly in a love/hate relationship with whatever gear they possess at the moment... and whether they can actually make images with it is secondary.

Gearheads are on every internet forum masquerading as photographers, and the digital/film thing is irrelevant. Brand of equipment is irrelevant. What IS relevant is that their gear, whatever it may be isn't adequate... never mind that there are photographers out there making stunning images with that same equipment every day.

What you're seeing is that most internet griping occurs with digital because film photographers are now in the minority. I still shoot both and I gripe about both equally, but my griping doesn't prevent me from making images.

What I gripe about most with digital is the very thing that gearheads love; all of the bells, whistles and deep, deep menus that buries one in automation. Since I've switched back to Leica, I don't have to gripe about that any more. :D
 
hepcat said:
What I gripe about most with digital is the very thing that gearheads love; all of the bells, whistles and deep, deep menus that buries one in automation. Since I've switched back to Leica, I don't have to gripe about that any more. :D
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LoL I totally agree.
 
Holy crap people! Lets face it its not the digital camera that scares you. It's that new fangled computer thingy.
 
Any prosumer digital camera will lay more control at your doorstep than you will ever get out of a film camera.
 
hepcat said:
What I gripe about most with digital is the very thing that gearheads love; all of the bells, whistles and deep, deep menus that buries one in automation. Since I've switched back to Leica, I don't have to gripe about that any more. :D
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You can stop griping. Just ignore all the bells and whistles. They actually don't get in the way. Personally, I work with my high-end DSLR and mirrorless cameras the same way I work with my film Leicas and Nikons. In fact, changing shutter speed and aperture is actually MORE ergonomic. Guess the exposure or set the light meter to center -weighted manual. No big deal. When I get a new digital camera, I spend about half an hour setting it up the way I like to use it. AFter that, it's just like a Nikon FM. OK, I do use auto focus, but not in any of the fancy modes.

Edit: Actually, I should say its almost exactly like an N80 or F100
 
Kwesi said:
Any prosumer digital camera will lay more control at your doorstep than you will ever get out of a film camera.
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Well, I shoot with Leica MM and Canon 5DII now and I shoot on manual. The meter doesn't know red from yellow or gray from black or from white. I can take the info I get from the meter and make better decisions about exposure and the way I want my work to look than any computer can.
 
airfrogusmc said:
Well, I shoot with Leica MM and Canon 5DII now and I shoot on manual. The meter doesn't know red from yellow or gray from black or from white. I can take the info I get from the meter and make better decisions about exposure and the way I want my work to look than any computer can.
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Your statement and Kwesi's are not in conflict.

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Looks like the glorious AF SLRs get so little love nowadays.

Is it truly "digital photographers" that complain too much?
 
Pablito said:
You can stop griping. Just ignore all the bells and whistles. They actually don't get in the way. Personally, I work with my high-end DSLR and mirrorless cameras the same way I work with my film Leicas and Nikons. In fact, changing shutter speed and aperture is actually MORE ergonomic. Guess the exposure or set the light meter to center -weighted manual. No big deal. When I get a new digital camera, I spend about half an hour setting it up the way I like to use it. AFter that, it's just like a Nikon FM. OK, I do use auto focus, but not in any of the fancy modes.
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Autofocus was the primary problem I had, actually. And the camera I had the most problem with couldn't be manually focused without switching to EVF. It just didn't work the way I think, but neither would it focus where I wanted it to without much wailing and gnashing of teeth on my part.

And frankly, spending a half-hour to set up a camera is just ludicrous. I don't want to do that any more. And now I don't have to. It's great.
 
Godfrey said:
Your statement and Kwesi's are not in conflict.

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I would prefer an all manual camera though. My MM has to much stuff on it. Give me a great sensor with really good high ISO, manual focus lens with usable DoF scales, manual aperture, manual shutter and a spot meter wither in the camer or hand held and I'd be a very happy camper.
 
airfrogusmc said:
I would prefer an all manual camera though. My MM has to much stuff on it. Give me a great sensor with really good high ISO, manual focus lens with usable DoF scales, manual aperture, manual shutter and a spot meter wither in the camer or hand held and I'd be a very happy camper.
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You're not complaining, are you?

Sorry... couldn't help m'self. :D
 
hepcat said:
You're not complaining, are you?

Sorry... couldn't help m'self. :D
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LoL not really just stating a preference. I'm really hoping that Leica makes an M-E with the new sensor. If so the Canon stuff is history even for my commercial work. I love my MM and have used it for several assignments that B&W was the end goal. I haven't felt this way about equipment since I bought my 500 C/Ms in the mid 1980s.
 
airfrogusmc said:
I would prefer an all manual camera though. My MM has to much stuff on it. Give me a great sensor with really good high ISO, manual focus lens with usable DoF scales, manual aperture, manual shutter and a spot meter wither in the camer or hand held and I'd be a very happy camper.
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Thank you Godfrey,

I guess what I am trying to say is that you don't have to use "all the stuff on your MM" to realize your own potential as a photographer. Just use the options that currently make the most sense to you.
 
Kwesi said:
Thank you Godfrey,

I guess what I am trying to say is that you don't have to use "all the stuff on your MM" to realize your own potential as a photographer. Just use the options that currently make the most sense to you.
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Thats just what I do and I love the camera. Would love it more if it had just a bit less.
 
Of course they do. They are at their computer more and have the opportunity instead of being tucked away in the bubble breathing toxic fumes :) :) :)
 
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