Is the problem still there?

[MP Guy]

These are with the new M8. I see one vert banding in one shot. Do you see others.

But no ghosting with the Heliopan filter.

Ray Harms is experiencing problems with the B+W filters when shooting with bright lights in the image. he gets a ghost flare using the B+W. I tryed to duplicate the problem usingthe Heliopan filter but could not.

 

[jlw]

I see the band in the fourth shot, but it's odd because it doesn't line up with the brightest part of the image, the way the old banding effect did. Maybe this one is a genuine, old-fashioned, optically-induced flare, although it's unusually linear for a conventional lens flare...

 

[Sailor Ted]

Are these similar issues? All shot on the R-D1 with various lenses (Zeiss and CV).

 

[rvaubel]

Are these similar issues? All shot on the R-D1 with various lenses (Zeiss and CV).

Sailor

No, Jorges problem looks like a defective sensor. Sorry Jorge, but it looks different than the original one.

Sailor, your problem looks like a filter problem. I assume your talking about the ghost image of the flourescent tubes. Are you using any find of filter on the RD1? If so, take it off and try again.

Jorge, your pictures do not show any signs of filter flare. But that does not surprise my as the Heliopans are ant-reflection coated on both sides. Or at least the ones I have are. I found this to be very important especially fro use on a digital camera. There is a thread going on about this on Leica camera users forum

Rex

 

[Sailor Ted]

Thanks Rex (WOOF!),
No I don't use any filters so I guess it's just my glass or some other condition. That said it does not bother me as it does not take away from the composition (or lack of thereof 🙂. Even so what can I do or could it be another issue?

 

[harmsr]

I just got my 1.09 M8 today. Well Leica did fix the issues which we were seeing with the early 1.06 cameras,

HOWEVER, WE NOW HAVE A NEW SET OF PROBLEMS.

1) A light vertical line is appearing to the right of center frame in situations with low light and higher ISOs (640,1250,2500). This is not evident when shooting at lower ISO or any outdoor shots.

Here is link to the vertical line by Alexander Tufte. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/dig...stripe-m8.html

This line is EXACTLY the same between all of our 1.09 cameras. (SAME position, SAME width)

2) The B+W 486 UV/IR cut 486 filters are causing flare. When you have a bright light source in the frame these filters are causing a ghost image from flare.

You can also see this thread. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/dig...good-news.html

My concern is that Leica is selecting the B+W filter for their/our use and will have Phase One develop camera profiles to fix the color with this filter.

At this point, it appears the Heliopan filter may not have this issue at all and would be a better choice.

Attached is are picture which are an admitted torture test with flare, but please note that without the filter there is no flare. These are quicky shots that would have showed the banding on the 1.06 cameras instantly, which is why I took them.

I am going to take some photos tonight of street scenes with lighting from Christmas decorations, car lights, street lights, neon from shopping / restuarant areas. to see what happens in normal shooting situations.

Let's use this as a summary of issues thread vs. a bitch session.I really want to get this camera running with no issues.

 

[rvaubel]

Thanks Rex (WOOF!),
No I don't use any filters so I guess it's just my glass or some other condition. That said it does not bother me as it does not take away from the composition (or lack of thereof 🙂. Even so what can I do or could it be another issue?

Not using a filter?,,,,,interesting. I have a RD1 so I will do some tests. Actually, in looking at thim again, it looks like it could be a double image off the sensor glass. As you know the Epson uses a much thicker absorptive filter than the M8. The multiple reflections of the air/glass and glass/glass surfaces could result in the results your are getting.

However, I have not seen the results you are getting before with my own RD1. Gives me something to do while awaiting my M8!

Rex
arf....ARF!

 

[Sailor Ted]

Rex,
While you're at it what do you make of this?

As allways a BIG WOOF WOOF to you!

 

[rvaubel]

Rex,
While you're at it what do you make of this?

As allways a BIG WOOF WOOF to you!

AHHH... you mean the blue fringing? That is a problem that Leica was trying to address by using a real thin .5mm IR filter. Thats right folks, Leica traded one problem for another. In the end, Leicas approach may prove to be the right one. But right now Leica is under such a microscope that even the tinist thing will get discovered. Our dearly beloved RD1 has plenty of issues that I never noticed until the M8 thing made my more sensitive. The RD1 has the magenta/black issue but I never noticed it. A lot of cameras have problems with IR contamination.

Rex
nice doggy,,down,down,DOWN

 

[TJV]

Harnsr:

I see banding coming off the first two lights as well as this new strange band you've pointed out. I'm very disturbed to see this, especailly since I could be waiting until way after the new year, because of customs and Christmas shipping delays, to get my "fixed" M8 back to New Zealand. If I have any more problems with my camera I'm asking for a refund. That would be worst case as I really love my M8. Having it my hands and getting excited about photos again because of the possibilities it opened up was priceless. I'll be shooting often at high speeds - 640 and above.
Having read the LUF stuff about this I can't make out if most people with a fixt M8 are experiencing these problems or if it's an unlucky few.
Any word?

Tim

 

[rvaubel]

Harnsr:

I see banding coming off the first two lights as well as this new strange band you've pointed out. I'm very disturbed to see this, especailly since I could be waiting until way after the new year, because of customs and Christmas shipping delays, to get my "fixed" M8 back to New Zealand. If I have any more problems with my camera I'm asking for a refund. That would be worst case as I really love my M8. Having it my hands and getting excited about photos again because of the possibilities it opened up was priceless. I'll be shooting often at high speeds - 640 and above.
Having read the LUF stuff about this I can't make out if most people with a fixt M8 are experiencing these problems or if it's an unlucky few.
Any word?

Tim

Tim

It seems that most people that are getting their cameras back are not taking the hard shots.....yet. Time well tell. By this time tommorow I'm sure the jury will be in.

Rex

 

[MP Guy]

I am writing from my p-hone. So excuse the typos. something to make note of. i was out with my Richo GR which a friend gave me. as I was taking a picture of a front door which had a lamp on each side, both lamps showed vertical bands in the display. it did not capture the bands on the final shot because the flas kicked in. But, the banding on the lcd was so much like what we see in these samples

 

[xayraa33]

Ah.. just stick to film Leicas.

 

[Gary B]

Just got my M8 a few days ago. Black is purple on some daylight shots of my wifes black vest also on the black sweater of a salesmen inside local camera shop with tungston light. Software is V. 1.9 and lens was a Canon 50mm 1.4 version II. When will they get it right? Have to get those filters fast.

 

[harmsr]

Here are some samples of at various ISOs of the streets in my neighborhood.

They show the flare problem with the filters and the vertical line in the exact same place every time.

 

[harmsr]

Here is the same photo of the garage without the filter.

It still has the vertical band, but no ghost image from flare.

 

[harmsr]

The vertical line only appears to be visible on a lower light background. However, on second review it is possible to just see it faintly in at the top of the frame. Go down in alignment from the pictures in the previous posts and you will see it at the top of this frame also.

 

[willie_901]

The garage/Christmas lights photos seem to have more blooming than I would expect.

What do you think about this?

Thanks,


willie

 

[harmsr]

Willie,

They do, but the BIG issues are the VERTICAL BAND and the FLARE.

Best,

Ray

 

[AusDLK]

Man oh man. All this latest news sure makes my decision to dump the M8 weeks ago and happily return $5000 to my bank account look better and better...

I have a second R-D1, a 35mm f/1.2 Nokton, a Rokkor 90mm, a Epson 3800 printer (soon), and still money left over...

I really think that if you guys want Leica to survive you better just settle for the M8 as it is in all of its craptacular glory or Leica will be history if they aren't already.