Huss
Veteran
Just was listening to a David Crosby interview, as he is releasing his 3rd solo album in 4 years.
He said that Joni Mitchell told him a thought only exists if you write it down.
Same thing for photography. An image doesn't exist unless there is a hard copy - on film and/or on print. Billions of images floating in the ether don't really exist...
He said that Joni Mitchell told him a thought only exists if you write it down.
Same thing for photography. An image doesn't exist unless there is a hard copy - on film and/or on print. Billions of images floating in the ether don't really exist...
white.elephant
Established
Just was listening to a David Crosby interview, as he is releasing his 3rd solo album in 4 years.
He said that Joni Mitchell told him a thought only exists if you write it down.
Same thing for photography. An image doesn't exist unless there is a hard copy - on film and/or on print. Billions of images floating in the ether don't really exist...
I agree absolutely.
back alley
IMAGES
i don't agree...the object of any art is to have impact on the viewer...and an image on a screen can have impact...
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Graham Nash is an avid shooter. Way back when Graham and Jon Cone separately bought IRIS printers that cost over six-figures and modified them to create the modern ink jet printing we know today.
There is also a story that Nash made a serious mistake of sending negatives to an Italian art director, who proceeded to loose the negatives and only the contact sheets survived.
I will say that prints are the best way to convey my work, and also big prints don't lie. Also I can print what I can't see on a calibrated monitor dimmed down to 80 Lux in a darkened room.
I have had the BBC give me credit for another photog's shot. The BBC also gave another photographer credit for my shot. NBC World Nightly News said they would give me photo credits and did not. A high end fashion magazine spelled my three letter last name wrong.
My gal is a fashion blogger with over a quarter million followers. My shots are lifted off her Instagram and are basically stolen. It is rare that I get the photo credits. Perhaps less than 20% of the time.
BTW printing has made me a better photographer. "Big prints don't lie" and show any bad technic, defects, or imperfection.
Cal
There is also a story that Nash made a serious mistake of sending negatives to an Italian art director, who proceeded to loose the negatives and only the contact sheets survived.
I will say that prints are the best way to convey my work, and also big prints don't lie. Also I can print what I can't see on a calibrated monitor dimmed down to 80 Lux in a darkened room.
I have had the BBC give me credit for another photog's shot. The BBC also gave another photographer credit for my shot. NBC World Nightly News said they would give me photo credits and did not. A high end fashion magazine spelled my three letter last name wrong.
My gal is a fashion blogger with over a quarter million followers. My shots are lifted off her Instagram and are basically stolen. It is rare that I get the photo credits. Perhaps less than 20% of the time.
BTW printing has made me a better photographer. "Big prints don't lie" and show any bad technic, defects, or imperfection.
Cal
f16sunshine
Moderator
Nice thought for friday.
I think I agree but can say also, I’ve been inspired by art I have viewed online. Seems like that counts
I think I agree but can say also, I’ve been inspired by art I have viewed online. Seems like that counts
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Joe,
What you say is true. I guess for me a computer screen, a cell phone, and the internet is not the best way to exhibit my work.
In the realm of fine art photography though the skill of the photographer and the image is conveyed via printing.
A computer screen, a cell phone, and even an optimized calibrated monitor simplifies the image I can print.
For impact I like printing large...
Cal
MCTuomey
Veteran
After I listened to that same interview, I toggled over to "Mingus" which Mitchell dedicated as a tribute record. She must have been writing down a lot in those days. Quite a record, and I'm not usually a fan of leader jazz/pop collaboration.
I don't quite see the analogy between writing down promising lyric/musical snips that burst onto one's mindscape (notorious for their tendency to fade back out in moments) and printing one's negatives, film or digital. But maybe I misunderstood that part of the interview.
I don't quite see the analogy between writing down promising lyric/musical snips that burst onto one's mindscape (notorious for their tendency to fade back out in moments) and printing one's negatives, film or digital. But maybe I misunderstood that part of the interview.
back alley
IMAGES
i'm not against prints by any means...i like prints and get some of my stuff printed. my house has most of it's walls covered with images by me and paintings/sketches etc of others...
cz23
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The hyperbole of visual artists and writers.
I'll side with Buddha over David or Joni: "What we think, we become."
I'm sure there's a counterpart for seeing, but I can't think of it.
John
I'll side with Buddha over David or Joni: "What we think, we become."
I'm sure there's a counterpart for seeing, but I can't think of it.
John
Pioneer
Veteran
Cute statement but I'm not sure I can accept that Joni Mitchell (or David Crosby) qualifies as a guru. She may have only been considering lyrics for her next song and David was stoned enough to listen.
How many great orators have challenged and motivated people over the centuries though their speeches or thoughts were never written down? Or the magnificent stories passed on by oral story tellers that Homer never had a chance to hear or to commit to papyrus?
I guess according to Joni none of that counts unless you had pencil and paper (or stylus and clay.) Language and the ability to relate thoughts has been around far, far longer than the ability to write them down.
Like most things that pop artists say, if you give them any serious thought they fall apart. I think it is probably better to enjoy their voices and their music rather than grant them great credibility as serious thinkers.
How many great orators have challenged and motivated people over the centuries though their speeches or thoughts were never written down? Or the magnificent stories passed on by oral story tellers that Homer never had a chance to hear or to commit to papyrus?
I guess according to Joni none of that counts unless you had pencil and paper (or stylus and clay.) Language and the ability to relate thoughts has been around far, far longer than the ability to write them down.
Like most things that pop artists say, if you give them any serious thought they fall apart. I think it is probably better to enjoy their voices and their music rather than grant them great credibility as serious thinkers.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
It depends on your metaphysics. I think images in your mind exist. Even if you print an image, you still only see it in your mind. In fact, the interesting question is do prints really exist. Descartes Meditations is a good place to start.
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
John,
I like the quote, "What we think, we become."
Although I don't think it compares, "Seeing is believing" has a strange twist when one attempts to Quantum Mechanics and molecular theory. Understand that we cannot visualize sub atomic matter, yet we have all these beliefs and have created all these realities.
I once took a course in college that was interdisciplinary that showed and indicated that philosophy, science, art, and religion are all systems of beliefs.
Again, "What we think, we become."
Cal
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
P,
One of my friends from my past was a Nuyourican Poetry Slam Champion.
The tongue is mightier than the sword, and the tongue is faster than the pen.
Cal
Michael Markey
Veteran
Have to agree with Joe in post #3.
My local photographic society is very print orientated but the younger end don`t have their work printed.
They prefer to display it on high resolution screens where they feel its shown to best effect .
They consider print to be a thing of the past I`m afraid.
My local photographic society is very print orientated but the younger end don`t have their work printed.
They prefer to display it on high resolution screens where they feel its shown to best effect .
They consider print to be a thing of the past I`m afraid.
Pioneer
Veteran
I have never heard of this before but would love to attend to hear a slam. This is not something we get a lot of in the outback of Nevada and I kind of doubt that Cowboy Poetry is the same. I may need to head for New York in the near future. Maybe I can look you up and you can head me in the right direction. If they allow cowboy hats.
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Cowboys and Cowboy Poets always welcome.
Unfortunately my friend Reggie moved to DC, and I have lost touch. My friend Dave found out his dad was a Cowboy Poet when going through his things. He put them together in a bound book.
I will assume the life of a cowboy is not easy. My friends who are poets never really make any money, and somehow they live. Perhaps they are more alive than you or me. I think both can be lonely lives, although Reggie was really famous.
Cal
MCTuomey
Veteran
Not a Buddhist, but along the same line, Descartes' Cogito: I think, therefore I am.
A working artist in the craft, E.M. Forster: How can I know what I think until I see what I say?
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Michael,
My gal is a fashion blogger with a quarter of a million followers. She only started this gig three years ago, she has an agent at Elite Modeling Agency in London, gets recognized in every city she visits, and is famous.
I'm totally old school except for digital printing and shooting. I still shoot mucho B&W film, and I am proud that I don't scan. LOL.
I would agree with the hipsters that for most/many the print is the past. Fine Art printing seems to be the only exception where prints are valued.
Not so many people printing either wet or digitally. Seems to me to be a dying art. I was surprise that this fashion print magazine, that I can't mention, but is a household name that has been in existence for many decades, only recently set up a video department and is currently building out video studios here in Madhattan.
Last week took off work to accompany my gal for her interview, and I was needed because the crew (all were recent hires last fall) wanted to document my street/runway shooting that I do for my gal's blog.
I was very-very surprise on how this major magazine was so late to the game on promoting video for their online presence. Anyways the segment will be posted in December I'm told.
For me the photography is about the image, and for me that means prints. Perhaps because I'm old it is to because I want a legacy to survive after I'm dead. I want these shots to be important and not momentary. I do not want to be famous or a celeb like my gal. I would rather have my photography remembered.
Seems like some people enjoy the fame and pursue that notoriety. It would really be great to be recognized through my work, but that is not the reason why I do it.
Cal
PKR
Veteran
If a print goes in a box and no one is around to see it, is it really there?
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
PKR,
Hidden from view, my guess is a good print will surprise someone one day when they open that box. That print might be discovered a few hundred years from now. Not really sure if stuff posted on the Internet will endure or in a way is just a passing moment.
Not all prints have a voice and speak, especially in solitude. I do see your point.
Cal