dave lackey
Veteran
Well that's strange ... the first couple of searches I did brought up zero stock! I just tried again and it's back to normal.
The trouble with all this discussing prices based around what we see at KEH is that we get a myopic view of values IMO.
Mind you there is an OM-2 for sale on Oz eBay for $245.00 at the moment ... good luck to them with that price!
Well, one thing about KEH prices, the Leica gear is skyrocketing but the Nikon RF bodies are not bad at all!
ItsReallyDarren
That's really me
My wacky theory #9-b says KEH has now learned of the high demand for Leica cameras and other high end gear. In order to maximize sales and profit they exercise "KEH Monetary Policy" which means pulling entire sections of items for a while and wait for the panic to set in. Then release them and let the crowd snap them up.
Well that's strange ... the first couple of searches I did brought up zero stock! I just tried again and it's back to normal.
The trouble with all this discussing prices based around what we see at KEH is that we get a myopic view of values IMO.
Mind you there is an OM-2 for sale on Oz eBay for $245.00 at the moment ... good luck to them with that price!
DanOnRoute66
I now live in Des Moines
The weak U.S. dollar is opening up the used market to many collectors around the world who wouldn't have necessarily bought the stuff when the dollar was strong.
Well, the lesson that I've learned from all of this is to learn a little marketing.
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25402
Or better yet- stick to the RFF classifeds and being able to smile at myself in the mirror.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/pho...tle/50-2f2-jupiter-8-shimmed-for-leica/cat/12
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25402
Or better yet- stick to the RFF classifeds and being able to smile at myself in the mirror.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/pho...tle/50-2f2-jupiter-8-shimmed-for-leica/cat/12
David Murphy
Veteran
Correct about eBay. eBay and PayPal together take 10-12% of a typical ending sale price directly from sellers. As a consequence sellers are responding by 1) Raising prices and effectively passing on the cost to buyers, 2) Selling less on eBay, created more demand for fewer items. Both these factors will raise prices all around. Sellers who sell on eBay are further encouraged to raise prices to protect themselves from a variety of eBay policies that encourage fraud by less-than-scrupulous buyers against sellers (and other losses that benefit buyers or eBay). For instance eBay "buyer protection" is entirely paid for by sellers, and protects criminals as well as honest buyers. Sellers must pass these costs along to buyers.
There appears to be no end in sight to eBay/PayPal fee increases I might add. Perhaps in a few years the take will be 20-30%. That's simply what happens in the modern American big business scene. It's dominated by monopolies now like in the Gilded age.
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charjohncarter
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Exactly, I go to Mexico every year, tourism is down so hotels are up, taxis are up, restaurants are up, everything is up. For the last 3 years fewer people are there.
David Murphy
Veteran
So you are saying that decreasing demand is causing higher prices? I thought the correlation between prices and demand was a basic principle of economics.
arpinum
Member
fbf
Well-known
They were selling better than ever then they realized their price was way lower than the market price.
So they raised the price
How do I know?
Not sure if anyone noticed but they used to ship ground the same day you purchase; then they started to ship ground one day after the purchase; now they ship ground 2-3 days, sometimes a week after the purchase. Their answer: we are busy. if you choose ground, you have to wait.
So they raised the price
How do I know?
Not sure if anyone noticed but they used to ship ground the same day you purchase; then they started to ship ground one day after the purchase; now they ship ground 2-3 days, sometimes a week after the purchase. Their answer: we are busy. if you choose ground, you have to wait.
ampguy
Veteran
I saw those
I saw those
and while they're the highest I've seen these lenses, I still think they're worth it. There are no other fast Sonnar type lenses in this range.
On that J8 you had in the classifieds, I think you left some cash on the table. Someone got a steal there!
I saw those
and while they're the highest I've seen these lenses, I still think they're worth it. There are no other fast Sonnar type lenses in this range.
On that J8 you had in the classifieds, I think you left some cash on the table. Someone got a steal there!
charjohncarter
Veteran
That was my point (to defend Chris), as it was Chris.' These people do not, at least in Mexico, understand that they have to create a market. And that is by lowering prices, doing everything to increase their product's worth (in other words work harder), and not chase off customers with higher prices and cut back services.
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
Yes, but on average and over the long haul. In the short term people can try to maintain profit when there's lower demand by increasing per-unit margins. That further lowers demand and is unsustainable unless levels of demand improve for external reasons. But in the short term it can't stop people from giving it a go.
An example of this thinking was someone I once worked with who couldn't sell a surplus company vehicle because she "couldn't find anyone prepared to pay the market price". :bang: Instead she kept it on the books, consuming resources and tying up capital needed elsewhere. Until eventually she had to sell it "below market price" anyway, compounding the loss. And she was the finance officer
...Mke
charjohncarter
Veteran
Yes, but on average and over the long haul. In the short term people can try to maintain profit when there's lower demand by increasing per-unit margins. That further lowers demand and is unsustainable unless levels of demand improve for external reasons. But in the short term it can't stop people from giving it a go.
An example of this thinking was someone I once worked with who couldn't sell a surplus company vehicle because she "couldn't find anyone prepared to pay the market price". :bang: Instead she kept it on the books, consuming resources and tying up capital needed elsewhere. Until eventually she had to sell it "below market price" anyway, compounding the loss. And she was the finance officer
...Mke
That is funny.
huntjump
Well-known
I have to agree with those who advocate supply and demand, and also currency rates changing.
Hell, no offense to Canadians, but the dollar was overtaken December 2010. Takes more dollars to buy things. I am optimistic the dollar will bounce back, and prices hopefully will reflect that.
KEH however might be purely pricing things based on Supply/Demand as noted. If no one is buying it, prices will fall. Guess wait another few months and see.
I never buy off there anyhow, i like to buy and sell between photographers
Hell, no offense to Canadians, but the dollar was overtaken December 2010. Takes more dollars to buy things. I am optimistic the dollar will bounce back, and prices hopefully will reflect that.
KEH however might be purely pricing things based on Supply/Demand as noted. If no one is buying it, prices will fall. Guess wait another few months and see.
I never buy off there anyhow, i like to buy and sell between photographers
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
They're good for lens hoods and suchlike things which can be a PITA to find elsewhere. At least that's what I've dealt with them for. I accumulate a list until I have enough low-priced items to be worth the postage way down here. Of course some aren't available when I get enough together to be worth a buy. That gives me a ready-made start to the next list. (I've done this twice now.)
...Mike
Bill58
Native Texan
They must have been reading the threads here about their LOW prices.
David Murphy
Veteran
Yes .. very amusing storyYes, but on average and over the long haul. In the short term people can try to maintain profit when there's lower demand by increasing per-unit margins. That further lowers demand and is unsustainable unless levels of demand improve for external reasons. But in the short term it can't stop people from giving it a go.
An example of this thinking was someone I once worked with who couldn't sell a surplus company vehicle because she "couldn't find anyone prepared to pay the market price". :bang: Instead she kept it on the books, consuming resources and tying up capital needed elsewhere. Until eventually she had to sell it "below market price" anyway, compounding the loss. And she was the finance officer
...Mke
David Murphy
Veteran
Brian -- A little off topic, but how do you kike the Tanack IV? I own one and simply love its small size and ease of use. I think it may be the smallest interchangeable lens rangefinder with a swing-open back. I've also owed (in the past) the 50/2 Tanar and it was wonderful.
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I have used the Tanar for a few test shots, then relubed it. The few shots that I have look nearly identical to the Nikkor 5cm F2. I ended up changing the shim on it, it was back-focusing by a large margin. I was able to use the shim for the Nikkor with it, had to "split" it as the Tanar is slightly larger in diameter.
I am must be a Sonnar fanatic, and have collected a lot of them. Definitely easier at $100 a lens than it is at $400 a lens! This one was a "net 0-cost item" as the Tanack IV body is worth what i paied for the set. I suspect the $30 Nikon M with Nikkor 5cm F1.4 has it beat, though.
I am must be a Sonnar fanatic, and have collected a lot of them. Definitely easier at $100 a lens than it is at $400 a lens! This one was a "net 0-cost item" as the Tanack IV body is worth what i paied for the set. I suspect the $30 Nikon M with Nikkor 5cm F1.4 has it beat, though.
Well, that's not exactly a fair analogy.