Ken Rockwell's "Observation" regarding the M8

I am not saying I agree/disagree with Ken Rockwell, but I did find the article he refers to interesting. Isn't the heritage of Leica all about being a reportage camera? If so, how does this heritage come in to play with the M8? Does the M8 live up to the high heritage set by older Leicas in the field? According to this photographer (a self proclaimed Leicophile) it does not.

http://web.mac.com/kamberm/Leica_M8_Field_Test,_Iraq/Page_1.html

PS. Notice that Ken, even though he finds Leica primitive, still wants to buy one. :eek:

The review was posted (or linked on Mike Johnston's website (the online phtographer. Is a blog entry entitled hate mail), and the comments there are interesting, noting that Iraqi or Afghanistan deserts in summertime are probably not places where most any digital camera will do well.

http://tinyurl.com/4der7j
 
Ken Rockwell is a clueless hack - he's a lousy writer and a clumsy photographer at best.

Chris Weeks has been taking potshots at him for a while on his Uber page - and, regardless of what you think of Mr. Weeks (I think he's great), he's dead-on when he calls out PDN for aligning themselves with Rockwell.

Ugh - Rockwell...clueless as always. Go shoot some more La Jolla sunsets...

Disagreed!. I think he often does know what he is talking about. He may have a different opinion than many, yet often his reviews and opinion are right on. I really don't get why people talk bad about the guy. There are many so called "experts" even on this forum that IMO far less knowledgeable than Ken Rockwell. Same goes for his pictures - some may not like them, yet they are far better than most pictures posted here on RFF. Again, even by some "experts".
So, are so many people jealous of him, cause he makes lots of money from photography and others dont? Is that why people critique him so much? Well, it seems to work for him well nevertheless.

As far as this review of him in particular - everything he says is TRUE. Some may not like to hear it, but reality is - he is right. Now, it doesn't mean that we should just sell all the Leicas, etc and buy Nikon, - many of us, including myself, like these odd old cameras BECAUSE this is the way they are - simple and mechanical. But technically - he is right. It's like digital vs film argument - there is room for it all out there.
Yes, Ken's articles are funny, so is this thread. So many die-hard Leica fans here that can't stand to hear the truth about thier precious toys.
The only thing I disagree on with Ken from this review is - I don't think Voigtlander Bessa cameras are ugly. ;)
 
I am not saying I agree/disagree with Ken Rockwell, but I did find the article he refers to interesting. Isn't the heritage of Leica all about being a reportage camera? If so, how does this heritage come in to play with the M8? Does the M8 live up to the high heritage set by older Leicas in the field? According to this photographer (a self proclaimed Leicophile) it does not.

http://web.mac.com/kamberm/Leica_M8_Field_Test,_Iraq/Page_1.html

PS. Notice that Ken, even though he finds Leica primitive, still wants to buy one. :eek:

The review was posted (or linked on Mike Johnston's website (the online phtographer)). The comments there are interesting.

http://tinyurl.com/4der7j
 
C'mon guys, Rockwell is obviously a photography "provocateur". Next to politics, "camera brands" (for some reason) is a great subject for such mischief. That's why he gets so many hits, and everyone here knows his name. The Cult of Leica - obviously, more so than any other brand, is an easy target for provocateurin'. While there is an element of truth to what his says regarding obsolescence, it's an entirely moot point. A minority of drivers prefer to drive a car with a manual transmission (like me). To call a Leica "obsolete" is as irrelevant as saying a car with a manual transmission is obsolete or a spring wound watch is obsolete. There are a variety of reasons why people opt for older technologies - especially ones that put the user in control of the tool instead of outsourcing the decisions along to the fun to a microprocessor, or be battery independent. I won't recount them all. "Obsolescence", therefore is truly relative and subjective.

Since it is subjective (and relative) one can point to Rockwell's weighting of shutter synch speeds as a key criteria for camera evaluation. I agree to an extent, which is why I opt for fixed lens leaf shutter "japanese knock-offs" (from the 60's), which synch flash at all speeds. I might say, why do you need slow, noisey "auto-focus" lenses? Do you have something wrong with your eyes? Are you really that lazy that you can't focus a camera? And, do you really need all this gadgetry to take a simple picture when it doesn't involve "bursting" X number of frames per second? Doesn't it get in the way? Is even a light meter all that necessary, with 15 different "matrixed" areas - whatever? Can't you just compensate by a stop or so for backlighting using your own experienced based judgement? Doesn't this make you a better photographer?

Oh, looks like I fell for Rockwell's provocateurin' (again). Doh!

Nick, spot on... brilliant!
 
I like Ken Rockwells comment on some things and found his page when I got back into photography later on I found RFF.
When I first read his review I thought well he´s simply not into Rangefinders. It´s not his type of camera that appeals to him. Yet hé sings the praise of Nikon RF´s but it seem that in his view the RF is something like an earlier and now obsolete step in the evolution of cameras. The Nikon F6 as the best 35 mm camera in the world would be an obnoxious statement if you don´t know that he sings the praise of one of the cheaper DSLR´s the Nikon D40. Let´s face it whenever someone writes critivcally about a oiece of gear we own many of us thought "but it works all right with me!"
Forget Leicas anyway get an Olympus RD! (just joking I have one with it´s shutter gummed)
Enjoy the weekend folks
 
Ken Rockwell is an opinionated pro. He tells it like it is, and if people don't like what he has to say they can take a flying leap. There are more than a lot of opinionated amateurs on these forums, and I can see why they don't like Ken. Plus, he has a great sense of humor. Insecure amateurs are generally uptight and humorless. He was taking great shots when most of these people were trying to figure out which end of the camera to look through.
 
Personally the M8 does what I want and I really do not care that much if it does not suit some one elses particular style. What I do care about is some one slagging off a camera that they have not actually used. This is a pitty and ultimately it is their loss.



Richard
 
Personally the M8 does what I want and I really do not care that much if it does not suit some one elses particular style.

Agree 100% Richard. We're not children. Speaking only for myself, I'm perfectly capable of deciding what to buy based on my own criteria, and make no apologies for not bowing to the unsolicited opinions of others, no matter what status they have in the world, let alone on some internet forum.


What I do care about is some one slagging off a camera that they have not actually used.

Now that's not something I'm going to get my bloodpressure up over.
 
Agreed completely and in fact I think it is good to have guys like Rockwell. Except that sometimes he is simply inconsistent. But we are not asked for textbook writing here. As long as he can get his points across (and sometimes correct a bit), it is ok. He, especially with his kids, looked a human being (with all its fault and humor).
 
In the morning before my coffee kicks in, a little hit of Ken Rockwell's "color" photographs will "brighten" my day. Gosh, he has strange idea of use of color. Would "over the top", be accurate?
 
i didn't buy my MP & M6 because they were the most techno, i bought them simply because they are the most reliable of all cameras out there. the Leica ASPH series of lenses arguably the best glass made in the modern era. why would i want anything else?
 
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