Kisses and insults...

Nobody likes to be proven wrong, certainly not around their friends in public. ;)

Juan, kudos to you! I don't think I would've had the guts to take that picture. I guess if I would have, I would also have asked the kissing girls in advance if it was okay. But that's me.
 
:) Anytime I'll be glad to learn from you, pirate...

By the way, have you ever been to the Canary Islands?

They're spannish but way south and far, near Africa... One of them is called Gran Canaria, and when I went there I was amazed at a southern place called Maspalomas: there's a great beach with a huge zone where every business, worker and tourist, are German! All restaurants have their menus in German only! All I was able to order the first days was Apple strudel...! :) And lots of British people near there too... An unusual and crazy place! Recommended! Fabulous weather every month in the year!

Cheers,

Juan
 
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Mr_Flibble said:
Nobody likes to be proven wrong, certainly not around their friends in public. ;)

Juan, kudos to you! I don't think I would've had the guts to take that picture. I guess if I would have, I would also have asked the kissing girls in advance if it was okay. But that's me.
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Sometimes I do it, but for other reasons... The other day there was a dark skinned south american woman making "rastas" to a blonde child girl's hair next to her Brittish mother... I liked the scene and made a shot from behind them with the 15mm in backlight "to have an image in any case" because the working woman had seen me before and she didn't seem to like my shooting... Then I walked to shoot from the other side with the sun behind me, and although I shot a second image that way (she didn't notice it because I did it without rising the camera), I asked her if could shoot, just to have her in a more negative version: she put her hand in the middle of her face an my camera: I did another shot while asked her why? and I turned the camera down a bit... When the woman took her hand down after I took my camera down, I made the last and best shot while telling her OK, no problem... I felt a bit devil after that, but there was nothing private there...

Cheers,

Juan
 
Wrong... Right.... Value Judgement....

Wrong... Right.... Value Judgement....

All I know is that when someone calls me an "Effing A$$hole", I know I've done something exactly right.

I don't care what they think of me and I revel in the fact that I have driven them to the "Idiots last defense"..... insulting me. Argument over!!!
 
A better way to gain consent.....

A better way to gain consent.....

I attended a presentation by an award winning photographer, who has an incredible portfolio of work and won a Pulitzer during the many years he shot for National Geographic.

One tip he mentioned made incredible sense to me, and he backed up his presentation with progressive pictures of the tip.

Working with various cultures and language barriers, he suggested that when he wants to take shots of faces and subjects, his approach will start out with either asking directly or motioning his desire to photograph something they are doing with their hands, if so occupied, and eventually he ends up getting head/face shots, or full subject/group shots.

Interaction and a positive approach.

I realize this is not directly pertinent to this post, but there have been some other suggestions as to style and responses, mine included.

This also seems like a workable approach, such as asking the woman doing the braiding to get some shots of her hands as they braid.
 
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kuzano said:
All I know is that when someone calls me an "Effing A$$hole", I know I've done something exactly right.

I don't care what they think of me and I revel in the fact that I have driven them to the "Idiots last defense"..... insulting me. Argument over!!!
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Yes, she couldn't say or do anything else at that point... I didn't want to argue anymore either: I wanted to go away with my roll safe...

Cheers,

Juan
 
No you weren't wrong, and I would've done exactly the same as you (except I probably would've ignored the girl who talked to you)
 
kuzano said:
I attended a presentation by an award winning photographer, who has an incredible portfolio of work and won a Pulitzer during the many years he shot for National Geographic.

One tip he mentioned made incredible sense to me, and he backed up his presentation with progressive pictures of the tip.

Working with various cultures and language barriers, he suggested that when he wants to take shots of faces and subjects, his approach will start out with either asking directly or motioning his desire to photograph something they are doing with their hands, if so occupied, and eventually he ends up getting head/face shots, or full subject/group shots.

Interaction and a positive approach.

I realize this is not directly pertinent to this post, but there have been some other suggestions as to style and responses, mine included.

This also seems like a workable approach, such as asking the woman doing the braiding to get some shots of her hands as they braid.
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Wonderful, kuzano! That makes a lot of sense... Thanks!

Cheers,

Juan
 
xxloverxx said:
No you weren't wrong, and I would've done exactly the same as you (except I probably would've ignored the girl who talked to you)
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I'll do that the next time and avoid discussions... I'm getting tired... Too many beach shooting days... And 90% of the people on the beach look at you with worried face: it's nuts... I'll go with my gun elsewhere from today on...

Cheers,

Juan
 
kuzano said:
I attended a presentation by an award winning photographer, who has an incredible portfolio of work and won a Pulitzer during the many years he shot for National Geographic.

One tip he mentioned made incredible sense to me, and he backed up his presentation with progressive pictures of the tip.

Working with various cultures and language barriers, he suggested that when he wants to take shots of faces and subjects, his approach will start out with either asking directly or motioning his desire to photograph something they are doing with their hands, if so occupied, and eventually he ends up getting head/face shots, or full subject/group shots.

Interaction and a positive approach.

I realize this is not directly pertinent to this post, but there have been some other suggestions as to style and responses, mine included.

This also seems like a workable approach, such as asking the woman doing the braiding to get some shots of her hands as they braid.
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That's what I usually do and it works. That and I always put a huge smile on my face. Works wonders. I don't know if it's "disarming" or anything, but people just can't help to smile back when I have an idiotic grin on my face :D
 
Phantomas said:
That's what I usually do and it works. That and I always put a huge smile on my face. Works wonders. I don't know if it's "disarming" or anything, but people just can't help to smile back when I have an idiotic grin on my face :D
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I'm taking note... I never smile while shooting: I think I'll start a conscious training on it from today on...

Thanks,

Juan
 
Juan Valdenebro said:
I'm taking note... I never smile while shooting: I think I'll start a conscious training on it from today on...

Thanks,

Juan
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I am with Phantomas on that one. A smile has a pacifying effect on the subject. The best option is to practice the smile combined with the blank look. I find that harsh words seem to bounce off me. :)
 
Juan Valdenebro said:
I'll do that the next time and avoid discussions... I'm getting tired... Too many beach shooting days... And 90% of the people on the beach look at you with worried face: it's nuts... I'll go with my gun elsewhere from today on...

Cheers,

Juan
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So you never smile while taking photos and you see a camera as gun. Correct me but it seems to me that your photography style is to threaten people or make them feel uncomfortable?

I'm always astonished that in such discussion photographers feel (like you in #39) that they lose rights to take photos of people. That's absolutely selfish. No one talks about the rights of people who don't want to be photographed. I am very reserved when doing street photography because there are also situations when I don't want to be photographed. So if someone is disturbed because of my camera I can understand that and would respect it.
 
I had a Korean guy ask me to leave a public park where his club was practicing rock climbing on a climbing wall, but I just took that as usual, anti-foreigner sentiment.
 
tom.w.bn said:
So you never smile while taking photos and you see a camera as gun. Correct me but it seems to me that your photography style is to threaten people or make them feel uncomfortable?

I'm always astonished that in such discussion photographers feel (like you in #39) that they lose rights to take photos of people. That's absolutely selfish. No one talks about the rights of people who don't want to be photographed. I am very reserved when doing street photography because there are also situations when I don't want to be photographed. So if someone is disturbed because of my camera I can understand that and would respect it.
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That bit about the gun sounded like a joke - a reference to how people see photographers these days. And it is true - guns, at least in America, seem better accepted. He did not photograph the objecting person in question, and to be honest from the way the situation is described it sounds like the kissers in question were fairly blatant, and were not trying to hide from anyone. More or less an invite to be looked at - or even photographed. Although, in truth, I was not there, so there may have been subtleties to the scene that we have both missed.
 
tom.w.bn said:
So you never smile while taking photos and you see a camera as gun. Correct me but it seems to me that your photography style is to threaten people or make them feel uncomfortable?

I'm always astonished that in such discussion photographers feel (like you in #39) that they lose rights to take photos of people. That's absolutely selfish. No one talks about the rights of people who don't want to be photographed. I am very reserved when doing street photography because there are also situations when I don't want to be photographed. So if someone is disturbed because of my camera I can understand that and would respect it.
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I agree. Selfish is the word.
 
A second's thought will reveal that the 'right not to be photographed' destroys ALL photography with people in it unless we ask EVERYONE'S permission first.

How many who defend the 'right not to be photographed' would like to see that happen?

Another point is that Juan was not attacked or insulted by those he photographed, but by some nearby interfering busybodies. Who would advocate a 'right to tell other people not to photograph other people'?

Cheers,

R.
 
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Roger Hicks said:
A second's thought will reveal that the 'right not to be photographed' destroys ALL photography with people in it unless we ask EVERYONE'S permission first.
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I am sure you know that there is something between offensive style street and asking everyone on the photo for permission.
 
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