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For a sensible person, untrained in the skills to use it as a weapon, a knife is a tool, a gun is a weapon.

I carry a Leatherman Juice. I use the scissors and pliers more than any of the other tools. In a small pouch on my belt it is my friend in need.
 
Is that legal in Germany?

Thanks for reading my post, Frank. (You seem the only one who has. Or did the others really shrug the Panzerfaust part off?)

The Luger/Glock/firearms in general are allowed only to licensed hunters or sports shooters in connection with their hobby. Routinely carrying a gun is forbidden even to them. The police is armed, of course.

BTW, in almost every case of running amok in Germany the weapons used came from a licensed sports shooter. Not very surprising, since this is the easiest way to legally get a gun.
 
Thanks for reading my post, Frank. (You seem the only one who has. Or did the others really shrug the Panzerfaust part off?)

The Luger/Glock/firearms in general are allowed only to licensed hunters or sports shooters in connection with their hobby. Routinely carrying a gun is forbidden even to them. The police is armed, of course.

BTW, in almost every case of running amok in Germany the weapons used came from a licensed sports shooter. Not very surprising, since this is the easiest way to legally get a gun.
I read it this morning, and thought the Panzerfaust in the boot/trunk very funny 😀 .

An excellent thread, if for no other reason than getting to know my fellow contributors a little better.
 
I used to go out with a clinical psychologist with a remarkable lack of self awareness.

One time, I was carrying a CRKT with a big tanto-style blade. When I showed it to her and demonstrated how it opened and the mechanisms involved, she questioned me about my fascination with knives. She proclaimed that my interest was 'morbid and almost pathological'.

And yet, she also said, 'You showed me the knife proudly and talked about the design and engineering. All I saw was a weapon.'

My response was, 'So I see the knife as a well designed tool, and all YOU see is a weapon. Which one of us has the morbid, pathological mindset, exactly?'

She had no answer, of course. Thank goodness I came to my senses and ditched her.
 
For a sensible person, untrained in the skills to use it as a weapon, a knife is a tool, a gun is a weapon.

I carry a Leatherman Juice. I use the scissors and pliers more than any of the other tools. In a small pouch on my belt it is my friend in need.
If you're untrained/inexperienced in the use of firearms, a gun isn't much of a weapon either! Well, it is, but it's probably a better weapon for the guy who is attacking you than it is for you...

Completely agree about the Leatherman as "a friend in time of needd", though mine's a Wave, and I use the screwdrivers quite a lot and the scissors comparatively little: I find the Swiss Army knife scissors more useful.

Cheers,

R.
 
Your location says you're in Wales. To quote the UK government web site:

"The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife more than once."

Let's hope it's a tiny penknife or you're using it for work eh? Otherwise you may be in need of a chiv to keep the other cons off you in the showers!

Eek.
It must be terrible for you to live in such a state of constant, paralyzing fear.

Cheers,

R.
 
. . . I'm not stupidly suggesting that the knife in itself is a bad thing or wrong in some way. It's the glorification of the object and the fascination some people have with them that I detest.
Yet you appear unable to distinguish between the knife as a tool and what you call "the glorification of the object and the fascination some people have with them". From my original post, asking about who carried pocket knives and why, you have built an edifice of fear and loathing.

The question of stabbing people was designed to elicit precisely the response it has, i.e. that in fact people do NOT go around stabbing one another all the time; the addendum about politicians was a joke, which I'd have thought was not hard to understand.

Cheers,

R.
 
Got my first pocket knife when I was 8 - pearlescent with a small blade and a file. Upgraded to SAK when I was 12. Always carry a multi tool - as a part time IT support guy it comes in very handy and can disassemble a PC in a couple of minutes + hundreds of other tasks.

As far as i recall I have never stabbed anybody - except myself, by accident, a couple of times. For self defense? You gotta be kidding! Running away or using a big stick would be better solutions. I find my German carving knives a lot more dangerous than my multi tool - and there is no law against carving knives...

You can't solve problems with weapon related violence through legislation only; Denmark has, like all Scandinavian countries, very strict laws on weapons, but that does not prevent criminals in Denmark from using pistols, submachine guns or even bazookas.
 
Once i dissected a pregnant...onion! That was (notwithstandoing the occasional self-mutilation) the biggest harm i have caused with a knife in my whole adult life. I have used a not-so-special Ikea knife.

I guess i am somewhat dangerous and i have no knife culture.

On the 2nd picture you can see the same infamous Ikea knife being used to prepare a gulyas.

When i was a kid i did go fishing and killed a few fish but i think they were already dead when i pulled a knife on them.
 

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For me, the swiss army knife is a versatile tool, and nothing more. It's used to peal oranges, open tin cans and serves as an in promptu screwdriver if no real one is at hand. It sits together with a couple of keys in a small bag in my pockets.. and gets the same amount of conscious thought..
 
I do like this Wenger Swiss army knife. Brass-riveted wooden handles. Bought it in the nineties in Switzerland. Never saw another one.
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It must be terrible for you to live in such a state of constant, paralyzing fear.

Cheers,

R.

Thanks for the amateur psycho-analysis Roger...even if it was delivered with the intention of denigrating my point of view. Perhaps a new career awaits?

Disappointingly though, I don't live in constant fear so you may not be Dr Hicks any time soon. However, here are some photos of teenagers many of whom will have lived in constant fear, at least when they left the house. They were all stabbed to death in London just last year by people carrying knives.

Perhaps you could put some of your new-found psychiatric skills to use counselling their parents and friends? Or would you not fancy that? I imagine you would you rather stay tucked safely away in your cosy world of denial and not bother your mind with such nasty goings on. Of course, encouraging people to carry knives and creating threads entitled, "knife culture", with an endless stream of lethal weapons has no bearing on the real world. Keep telling yourself that and it will all be fine. At least for you, eh?

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London is a pretty insane place to live. I mean actually insane.
I did two years there once.

I can add that I'm 66, a pillar (not exactly a pillar, but still respectable 😀 ) of the community, and a professional person. I live in a very rural area where it is not unusual to have to, say, cut a sheep free from thorns - I had to do that last week.

My kayak knife does not have a point to it - it's made like that. It would be easier to stab someone with a banana. The Opinel is a utility knife - a tool.

Knives are not all stabbing implements. Not all knife-carriers are young men. Not all young men get stabbed.

One final point - if a kid wants to harm or hurt another kid he/she will find a way to do it, whether they carry a knife or not.
 
Bark Spud. Anyone else got one? Mine is an antique I got from e bay years ago, put a new handle on it and I use it every few years. A bark spud looks like a three foot (one meter) long butter knife with a wooden handle. Old time sawmill folks used them to remove bark from logs. I'm working up a red oak and the bark spud nicely peeled the bark from the trunk. Not needed but it was fun and quite interesting to see a naked tree. So much for obscure knife variants. Joe
 
Wait a minute ,despite my previous post I realise that I do have a knife.
Bought over 40 years ago when I did alot of fishing.

Dug it out of the back of the garage ....
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London is a pretty insane place to live. I mean actually insane.
I did two years there once.

I can add that I'm 66, a pillar (not exactly a pillar, but still respectable 😀 ) of the community, and a professional person. I live in a very rural area where it is not unusual to have to, say, cut a sheep free from thorns - I had to do that last week.

My kayak knife does not have a point to it - it's made like that. It would be easier to stab someone with a banana. The Opinel is a utility knife - a tool.

Knives are not all stabbing implements. Not all knife-carriers are young men. Not all young men get stabbed.

One final point - if a kid wants to harm or hurt another kid he/she will find a way to do it, whether they carry a knife or not.

A lot of people put knife crime down to being 'a London thing', 'a gang thing' or an 'inner city thing', but it's not true. It's concentrated in urban areas probably because of the concentration of people and the added issue of their being more areas of conflict when people are jammed together. But there is a problem with knife crime all over the UK from Aberdeen to Cardiff to London, and rural areas are not immune. In fact, rural areas here have their own added problem of firearms offences, obviously because a lot more people legally carry them in rural and surrounding areas.

The 'gang' thing is also no longer true (if it ever was). The vast majority of children carrying knives are not member of gangs. They either carry them because it's what other people do, as a status symbol or increasingly, for protection.

Another thing to bear in mind with knife crime is that the people who are murdered are only the tip of the iceberg. In the last three years around 12,000 children in the UK were the victims of knife crime (it could be as high as 18,000 as some forces don't report the figures). The vast majority of these crimes were committed by children on other children and included robberies, rapes, kidnappings and serious but non-lethal wounding. Few of these ever make the headlines, but they are obviously devastating for the people involved.

Quote: "One final point - if a kid wants to harm or hurt another kid he/she will find a way to do it, whether they carry a knife or not."

That's absolutely true, but the use of knives magnifies the harm caused. What would have been a broken nose and some nasty but superficial cuts, turn into a fatal wound with knives in the mix. Listen to what the users of knives say about what they did. A common theme is that they had no real idea of the damage they were causing. Most of them had no intention of killing, they just wanted to lash out and inflict pain on their rival, opponent or whatever. Many of them are left stunned by the idea that they have killed someone and destroyed both their lives.

I'm convinced that many of the crimes would never have happened in the first place if these kids were not carrying a knife. The knife emboldens the owner and makes it much more likely that they will use violence to sort out whatever problem they're faced with. And it's simply not true to say that flashing a knife warns an aggressor off and therefore everything is fine. What happens in the real world is that the aggressor is humiliated by their lack of power and resolves to up their game by packing their own weapon, a bigger weapon next time. The original knife carrier may never come across his aggressor again, but someone else will, and they will suffer the consequences.
 
I wonder if FSU knives are mere knock-offs of German knives?

Would you choose a Swiss knife over a German knife? (I bet Oskar Barnack carried a pocket knife)

Do you prefer the format of a 440 steel blade to other formats of steel blades?

Are you a Large, Medium, or small blade carrier?

Do you have a strap on your knife?

Hope this eases any tension😀
 
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