Kodak Alaris CEO asking for input

This is exactly what I am thinking about. When ppl talked about "scanning", their thoughts were often limited to those tools like Nikon Coolscan. That is not an efficient way to digitize films. I owned a 5000ED and a 9000ED, and I know all the pains of scanning. A more interesting (already explored in the past) idea is to project a film and take a digital photo of the projected image. With a dedicated projection device, it is possible to do "scanning" much faster - I am talking about something like 30fps or even more! With such device, it is possible to provide a scanning service that makes sense economically.


Most of this sounds like developing and scanning for color film, certainly cause for concern...

Scanning is really nothing more than taking a photo of the already made photograph, a reproduction step. So with that said, a great variety of scanning needs and wants come into play. For example, I generally wet print my black and white images, due to method stability reasons and greater artistic flexibility, I use very little color film. So last night I wanted to make good on showing some photos from my new Nokton 35, I developed the film earlier this week. I simply used my DSLR in RAW and a macro lens on with a small light table. Even though I was only after a small file for web presentation, the D800 can often give my Nikon 9000ED a run for it's money, it works that well, especially if I place a piece of glass over the neg with a cardboard mask to hold back stray light.

This is just one example of "scanning", I have even used my iphone to quickly snap pics of chromes that really come out pretty good for web representations. There is all this talk of quality but let's focus on the real Achilles heel of color or even black and white film and that is the convenience or lack thereof in sharing the image. Most enthusiasts who pixel peep are after the highest quality they can get, so they might go the dedicated scanner or DSLR route while the Facebook crowd just wants it good enough to fill a average display, often an iPad or phone.

There is a lot of room for innovation here and yes, that also includes creating a network of labs that already handle print output from the likes of SD and CF cards. As a working pro who talks to a lot of people, perhaps an average of 2-3 everyday about photography, I can tell you from my experience that most people are not happy about the decline in labs or places to make a simple print from *any* medium, digital, film or otherwise.

So there needs to be some innovation here and centralized wet labs that are based on regional needs could easily serve the needs of customers that do not know where to go. People like to be able to count on things not changing too much, like the milk being in the same aisle of the grocery store. The same applies to how they deal with their images.

Maybe Alaris is onto this and is figuring out a way to meld at least middle of the road scanning services in addition to print products as it moves forward. In 2009 during a meeting at Kodak I was a part of, a former Photo.net admin brought up the lack of both a consumer version and network of scanners as the number one problem that film use faces. He is and was right.

This is exhausting stuff to a guy like me who really believes in film products offering an alternative to life in same-as-every-other-hack digital land. Some days I want to sign onto a place like this, try to get people fired up to be positive. Most days I go about my business of photography, use my darkroom and enjoy the fact that if all film production ceased tomorrow, I would be set for at least ten years from shutter click to matted print.

I am getting close to the latter...in fact I really have nothing more to add....except, what do you and other film doomsayers get out of leading the sky is falling crusade? Does it make you feel good about something in your lives to point a finger at someone and say their loved one is likely not going to survive cancer treatment?

I had mentioned a few posts back about how much better RFF is about not being down on film but it is starting to shift the other way and I just can't take it because if a day comes that I can not use my darkroom to make a *REAL* effing photograph, I am DONE with photography. Fortunately, Ilford Harman is doing very well with the entire process of black and white film all the way to the final print, their new MG Classic paper is fantastic, so let's not make it sound like ALL film is at risk when at least one player is continually in the black and is innovating to boost demand.

Looks like it is time to log out and leave it be...
 
But you need a good (=expensive!)scanner & time (with 2 kids of 5 and 2 years old-and a busy job), I don't have the time to devellop & scan all my negatives by myself.

So I would be very happy with a good developping + scanning + online storage service, and when that's offered for a good price-Kodak has me in...🙂
 
They're never going to do that, just keeping track of all the negatives and dealing with customer service plus the storage and website would overwhelm them. I certainly understand that people just don't have the time to scan, but raw files take longer for me, with worse results and less happiness. Have fun either way though!
 
But you need a good (=expensive!)scanner & time (with 2 kids of 5 and 2 years old-and a busy job), I don't have the time to devellop & scan all my negatives by myself.

So I would be very happy with a good developping + scanning + online storage service, and when that's offered for a good price-Kodak has me in...🙂

Those same time in the day complaints could be said of digital too, photography only gives back what you put into it, especially the time part.

Lots of people say what they need but don't say what they need it for. So yes, if you are going for max resolution in order to make high quality and large size prints, then a dedicated scanner is required. But if you are at least just for now trying to digitize the film images for sharing on the web, then a decent 10 megapixel DSLR in raw with a macro lens will easily take care of that plus decent sized prints.

One thing that would be cool is if Kodak ( or Ilford ) would team up with Flickr to where they will automatically upload the scans to your account in a private gallery then mail you your processed film, a DVD and a set of prints or a contact sheet.

I don't know about most people but I don't scan or print every single image I shoot on film, I edit and pick the best shots. With my 9000ED this is only a little slower than the process of editing a bunch of digital shots.

There is room for innovation here and there really is no longer a reason converting a film image to a decent digital file has to be priced outrageously either, especially with how good iphone cameras are about to get and how easy it would be to slide your phone onto some jig that you also pass your film through.

Instead of making excuses, people need to innovate, I do it all the time for my own needs, it makes life more interesting and rewarding. Since photography is both my job and my life, necessity is the mother of invention...
 
With some software, scanning needn't be a time sink. I use my old Epson flatbed to scan negatives for my blog and after selecting maybe six frames from two strips I just let it get on with things. Yes, at higher resolutions each frame can take a while to scan but then you don't have to sit in attendance. You're free to play with the children, have lunch, cut the grass or whatever.

I now shoot film exclusively because I like to print in the darkroom but if all I was planning to do was show pics online then I'd probably shoot jpegs - carefully - with a digital camera. Shooting film, developing it, scanning it and uploading pics to the RFF seems a bit pointless to be honest. That's what you get digital cameras for. 🙂
 
I now shoot film exclusively because I like to print in the darkroom but if all I was planning to do was show pics online then I'd probably shoot jpegs - carefully - with a digital camera. Shooting film, developing it, scanning it and uploading pics to the RFF seems a bit pointless to be honest. That's what you get digital cameras for. 🙂

This is what I feel also. If I were to give Kodak any advice (which I am not about to, if they don't know what to do by now then god hep us!), it would be to focus on analogue, celebrate analogue and market analogue and its strengths, as Ilford have done, and forget about digital. Make a commitment to analogue.
 
This is what I feel also. If I were to give Kodak any advice (which I am not about to, if they don't know what to do by now then god hep us!), it would be to focus on analogue, celebrate analogue and market analogue and its strengths, as Ilford have done, and forget about digital. Make a commitment to analogue.

I agree. Kodak made its name as the leader in film and darkroom products. At least from a UK perspective, it really doesn't have much of a digital profile at all (not speaking about stuff like sensors: just it's high street profile). If the company decides analogue isn't the way to go then it would be good if it would make its film emulsion recipes for Plus X and Tri X available to another film manufacturer.
 
Shooting film, developing it, scanning it and uploading pics to the RFF seems a bit pointless to be honest. That's what you get digital cameras for. 🙂

Some of us get pleasure out of using film cameras .
I would suggest that there would be far fewer picture threads both here and on other forums if that were not so.

I guess it would take some time to visit everyone and view their pictures too 🙂
 
I now shoot film exclusively because I like to print in the darkroom but if all I was planning to do was show pics online then I'd probably shoot jpegs - carefully - with a digital camera. Shooting film, developing it, scanning it and uploading pics to the RFF seems a bit pointless to be honest. That's what you get digital cameras for. 🙂


I don't think this is the normal scenario for people scanning film: there really would be no point in scanning 120 film at 4000dpi if what the photographer ultimately planned was uploading a small jpeg to RFF. Most people are scanning because it enables them to post-process and print their film images in a digital workflow - this is what's practical or preferable for them. With my images I want ultimately to print, create Blurb books, and also in some cases digitally share my film images. Scanning makes sense for these end-uses.


If I were to give Kodak any advice (which I am not about to, if they don't know what to do by now then god hep us!), it would be to focus on analogue, celebrate analogue and market analogue and its strengths, as Ilford have done, and forget about digital. Make a commitment to analogue.

With regard to getting in touch with Kodak - no-one is suggesting we tell them how to run their business. I personally think it's a good idea to contact them and share our thoughts about film because it helps them to assess the general engagement of film users, the willingness of this group to be vocal, and the balance of interests of their customer-base as a whole.

Think of it like this: the managers of the film division are probably quite weak in the internal politics of the company. They probably find it hard to have their voices heard, or their point-of-view considered when decisions are made about future resource allocation or planning, and so on. If Kodak receive 4500 mails in response to this video, and 4200 of them are strongly supportive of their film production, then the consequences for the internal strength of the film division are obvious.

As far as I was concerned, the question was more why should I not send a mail?
 
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