Kodak Alaris is increasing prices

Any season, Kodak/Fuji - arch, Ilford - flat.

I know any film can be flat, because I've always gotten perfectly flat film from the labs regardless of film type. But that's obviously not something that's of any consolation to the users who develop film at home and don't/can't have controlled environment.
 
The higher the price, the more money they make. So they think.

Shame Kodak employees pensions are tied up in this fiasco.
 
HHPhoto said:
Therefore this stupid "Fujinonfilm" campaign started by Bellamy Hunt (JCH), Vishal Soniji (camerafilmphoto) and some other hipster-bloggers and Kodak related labs (like MeinFilmLab) is so counterproductive:
Ten thousands of Photographers follow them and boycott Fujifilm, the demand is then even further decreasing and falls below the critical level. And Fuji had to stop the product(s) because of too low demand.
And then the same people who told you to stop using Fujifilm are complaining that Fujifilm had to discontinue certain products.
What a film community destroying behaviour!!
So please, don't follow these idiots.
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Is this real?
 
I think, the only idiots are those who are in illusion about film coming back.
It is shallow pond for big fish like Kodak to keep in it.
 
HHPhoto said:
Therefore this stupid "Fujinonfilm" campaign started by Bellamy Hunt (JCH), Vishal Soniji (camerafilmphoto) and some other hipster-bloggers and Kodak related labs (like MeinFilmLab) is so counterproductive:
Ten thousands of Photographers follow them and boycott Fujifilm, the demand is then even further decreasing and falls below the critical level. And Fuji had to stop the product(s) because of too low demand.
And then the same people who told you to stop using Fujifilm are complaining that Fujifilm had to discontinue certain products.
What a film community destroying behaviour!!
So please, don't follow these idiots.

That and the catastrophic "Fujinonfilm campaign" have led to the demand problems with Acros sheets, and that the demand is not high enough anymore to keep the product economically viable.
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Why is it that I can find nothing on the internet about these campaigns? Besides this thread, of course.
 
Ko.Fe. said:
I think, the only idiots are those who are in illusion about film coming back.
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6.5 million instax cameras in only one year (more than double the number than DSLM cameras sales) is not a comeback?
A new convering plant for instax film is not a comeback?
Several new instax products (cameras, films, accessoires) are also not worth being mentioned?
More than 30 million instax film packs sold p.a. are also irrelevant? By the way, that is much more than the whole global BW photo film market.
Double digit increase in Impossible / Polaroid film sales are also no comeback?
New investments in the Polaroid brand, and a new camera, their latest improved films?

Ilford, Kodak, Adox and Rollei-Film are reporting increasing demand for 135 and 120 BW film.
Kodak is reporting increasing demand for prof. CN film.
Lots of labs and distributors are reporting increasing demand for film.
Increasing prices for lots of used cameras, especially medium format models.
And so on.....there are more examples.

So, with instant film we are already in a big boom.
And with standard film we are in a first phase of a come back.
The task will be to broaden this development, so that more / all areas of the film market increase again.

Cheers, Jan
 
HHPhoto said:
6.5 million instax cameras in only one year (more than double the number than DSLM cameras sales) is not a comeback?
A new convering plant for instax film is not a comeback?
Several new instax products (cameras, films, accessoires) are also not worth being mentioned?
More than 30 million instax film packs sold p.a. are also irrelevant? By the way, that is much more than the whole global BW photo film market.
Double digit increase in Impossible / Polaroid film sales are also no comeback?
New investments in the Polaroid brand, and a new camera, their latest improved films?

Ilford, Kodak, Adox and Rollei-Film are reporting increasing demand for 135 and 120 BW film.
Kodak is reporting increasing demand for prof. CN film.
Lots of labs and distributors are reporting increasing demand for film.
Increasing prices for lots of used cameras, especially medium format models.
And so on.....there are more examples.

So, with instant film we are already in a big boom.
And with standard film we are in a first phase of a come back.
The task will be to broaden this development, so that more / all areas of the film market increase again.

Cheers, Jan
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It all depends on which stick you use to measure with.
 
css9450 said:
Why is it that I can find nothing on the internet about these campaigns? Besides this thread, of course.
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Then you have not searched good enough. JCH was one of the first who intensively used the "Fujinonfilm" slogan in his articles and social media statements. His Fuji bashing statements are legendary. Lots of this action of the "Fujinonfilm" crowd" is on facebook, and in the huge groups there. Same is valid for MeinFilmLab, who regularly said on facebook photographers should stop using Fujifilm, Adox, Foma, Rollei etc. and should only use Kodak and Ilford instead.

It is absolutely counterproductive for the market.
Each manufacturer has his own strengths and unique products.
We need all of them for the film revival!

Cheers, Jan
 
brbo said:
Any season, Kodak/Fuji - arch, Ilford - flat.

I know any film can be flat, because I've always gotten perfectly flat film from the labs regardless of film type. But that's obviously not something that's of any consolation to the users who develop film at home and don't/can't have controlled environment.
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?? Ever shot Acros?
 
HHPhoto said:
Then you have not searched good enough
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So you now have to really try hard to find those comments that somehow reached hundreds of thousands of photographers that blindly abandoned Fuji because of those comments and literally forced Fuji to discontinue films?

Sorry, does... not... compute.

If Fuji would do some proper marketing on anything except Instax maybe there would be bigger market for their film (Instax is fine, but it's not something that first comes to mind when we say "film" here on RFF). Fuji seems not to be too concerned about _making_ the film market, they are just _selling_ to the market (or what's left of it).

I agree with you, we need all the producers, because of the variety. It's something that's invaluable with film. Getting a new "sensor" with every roll...!!! If Fuji thinks they can only ride on Instax, well, good luck to them.

stompyq said:
?? Ever shot Acros?
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Sure, why?

Ever shot 400H, Superia (any of them), Provia, Velvia, Ektar, Portra, Tri-X, T-Max?
 
HHPhoto said:
Then you have not searched good enough. JCH was one of the first who intensively used the "Fujinonfilm" slogan in his articles and social media statements.
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I don't even see that term on his website. Sure, there are references to fujinon lenses, and film, on the same page perhaps, but that's not "fujinonfilm".
 
ptpdprinter said:
It all depends on which stick you use to measure with.
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Increase in demand is pretty resistant to any differences in ASA/ISO/DIN you prefer.

Paps delivered and cameras sold may not be our prefer types but they do point to sales and improved cash flow.

Yes, we will never see the level of "Stuff" (cameras, film, chemistry, papers) that we saw in the 80s & 90s. But the bounce that they are experiencing
is wonderful.

It's sad that people prefer to spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) rather than letting their work speak for them.

My guess is that KA could make the contribution to the retirement fund that they needed to so they increased price. Perhaps a bit more for R&D/Engineering. The invisible hand of the market will say if it was a bad idea or not.

B2 (;->
 
brbo said:
So you now have to really try hard to find those comments that somehow reached hundreds of thousands of photographers that blindly abandoned Fuji because of those comments and literally forced Fuji to discontinue films?
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You don't have to try hard at all to find it.
Those Fujifilm bashing comments pop up weekly on facebook.
The guys mentioned here started that, and unfortunately in the meanwhile lots of photographers have jumped on the bandwagon and repeat it again and again. With very negative results on demand.
Therefore I have to agree with Jan about the problems caused by this behaviour.

Facebook is now much more important for film than rff or apug / Photrio.
There are dozens of film photography groups with increasing member numbers.
Just one example:
There is a film photographers group with Vietnamese film photographers: With more than 45.000 members! And growing quickly. So in that group alone are more film photographers than here on rff.
 
HHPhoto said:
Then you have not searched good enough. JCH was one of the first who intensively used the "Fujinonfilm" slogan in his articles and social media statements. His Fuji bashing statements are legendary. Lots of this action of the "Fujinonfilm" crowd" is on facebook...
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Facebook and Twitter searches for the term "fujinonfilm" turn up nothing. An Instagram search turns up two unrelated images. A Google search turns up a link to this thread. Not exactly overwhelming coverage and penetration for the "fujinonfilm" cause. In fact, it's damn near invisible.
 
css9450 said:
I don't even see that term on his website. Sure, there are references to fujinon lenses, and film, on the same page perhaps, but that's not "fujinonfilm".
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I also remember well several times that he published Fujifilm bashing articles on his website. And I remember even more of such statements he did on facebook. And as thousands of his fans follow him in an uncritical way like a "guru" these followers have adapted his policy.

In the end it is all up to demand: In the last 15 years Kodak has discontinued more films than Fujifilm. For example they axed their ISO 1600 CN film already about a decade ago.
Do I critize them for that?
No.
The market has crashed after 2003 / 2004 and they had to react to survive. Same is valid for Fujifilm.
If we want the Fujifilm film programme to survive, we just had to buy these films.
Manufacturers need sufficient demand to keep the lines running. No matter whether Fujifilm or Kodak or Ilford or all the others.
 
I didn't discontinue Fujifilm, they discontinued me when they discontinued rollfilm Neopan 400.
I understand that a chemical used in the film had to be phased out, and there wasn't enough market to re-engineer with a new chemical.
 
Nostalgia

Nostalgia

IIRC the subtext to the Kodak bashing threads was usually Fuji love.

Kodak bad, Fuji good...

Chris
 
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