LA woman stabbed, killed taking pictures of homeless

Without knowing for sure, it is useless to speculate whether or not either of the women said something that caused the reaction. But what if they did? Stabbing someone, not in self defense or defense of someone you are legally allowed to defend, is a violation of law. If the stabbed person dies as a result of being stabbed, it is some form of murder or manslaughter.

I'm sure it wasn't what was intended, but to say or imply the women brought on themselves is to blame the victim rather than the perpetrator. Granted, they might have made better choices, but in a high tourist area, they probably felt safer.
 
And what may I ask would the "wrong thing" be? "please stab me to death" ? 😕

Disrespect to the people with signs, perceived entitlement of the stab victim?

Don't tell me you simple believe the story as written? AND no, I'm not saying they deserved it at all. The news never tells the whole story though.
 
I think we need to keep in mind that the blame lays squarely on the beggars and not the photographer.

Telling a photog' to eff off is one thing but there is never any excuse for stabbing someone, except (maybe) in self-defence.

These people were clearly a few cans short of a six pack.
 
The incident occurred in a high-tourist area. Tons of people on the street. Taking photographs of the homeless is a gamble. Quite a few homeless people are unstable psychologically. The homeless are homeless for a variety of reasons. Taking pictures of the homeless, is preying on a segment of society that cannot protect itself in the most obvious of ways that we, ourselves, can. It is a marginalized part of our culture that society does not fully address as much as it needs to.

A tragic incident nonetheless.
 
Looks like a more accurate headline would be "LA woman stabbed, killed for refusing to give money after taking pictures of homeless"

A tragic story.
 
Disrespect to the people with signs, perceived entitlement of the stab victim?

Don't tell me you simple believe the story as written? AND no, I'm not saying they deserved it at all. The news never tells the whole story though.

I don't see what's unbelievable about it. Worse has happened to people for less than declining to give money to somebody on the street.
 
I don't see what's unbelievable about it. Worse has happened to people for less than declining to give money to somebody on the street.

Of course it has... people kill for fun at times. However, generally not in a public tourist spot. That is why I believe there is more to this story than someone didn't get paid.
 
Very bad news...

have to admit many times i simply don´t shoot...

Beggars at least in my country aren´t very dangerous, but going into night They perhaps are a bit drunk, stoned or simply tired and this posibilty makes it a gamble to go shooting them...

When things can be complicated i always talk to people first...because someone can change his her behavieor dramatically during the day/night....or in front of a camera...
 
...Taking photographs of the homeless is a gamble. Quite a few homeless people are unstable psychologically. The homeless are homeless for a variety of reasons. Taking pictures of the homeless, is preying on a segment of society that cannot protect itself in the most obvious of ways that we, ourselves, can. It is a marginalized part of our culture that society does not fully address as much as it needs to.

This is spot-on. Walking among and interacting with inner-city homeless folks is much like swimming with sharks. Most of the time they'll just check you out for the sake of curiosity. Once in a while one will try to eat you.

This was a tragic incident.

I was a cop for 30 years and worked areas with large homeless populations for several years.

Those of us who are financially capable of owning and using cameras live in a much different world than those who are being photographed on the street. When you venture into that world, you abandon the relatively safe world you (we) live in, and enter into a very dark, violent, and different world where people are beaten or killed for blankets, half a bottle of booze, or a misplaced insult. It is an unseen war zone that is nestled, hidden and forgotten, inside every city in the US. In that world there are only predators and victims. They all try to get along the best they can, but they're merely existing. No one "lives" in that world in the traditional sense as we here contemplate "living."

People who live on the streets are unpredictable and do not share the societal norms that those of us who post here take for granted. When you take to the streets to photograph that world, you leave the relative safety of "our" world behind, and you enter "their" world. If you're going to be in that world, you need to be prepared to become a part of that world and all that entails. If you don't have the survival skills to successfully navigate "their" world, then you probably ought not be there.

ON EDIT: It's also important to remember that our jails and prisons are now the largest mental-health provider systems in the country, and that for many of the homeless, particularly those with severe mental health issues, our jails and prisons (as bad as they are) are a much better, safer (for them,) and preferable place to be than on the street.
 
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Want to hear more detail. The article implied the man could be pro. Bait people to take picture (with the eye catching sign in a tourist spot) and demand money.

Did he even feel offended and refuse having his picture taken ?

that could be true in, the area I live in there are professional beggers on street corners asking for money for all kinds of reasons.

that is the sad story indeed.
If I'm going to take a picture of a homeless person I will usually talk to them first and get an idea of Thier state of mind.
 
A violent act such as this one could never be justified or excused.

This said, the so called street photography has now become a trendy activity. The idea is to go out, take zillions of pictures of everything and everybody and then possibly ending up with few decent images.

There are even courses, where, after forking out hundreds, self acclaimed specialist teach you how to become blunt enough to put your lenses few inches away from everyone nose. Candid shot is the way to go, you just can't be too close.

Picturing homeless, poverty, distress makes you even more a real street photographer...

With the number of such artists growing, there is a slight possibility that those turning into involuntary subjects get fed up and start not to enjoy the game any more...
 
This said, the so called street photography has now become a trendy activity.

How did you quantify the present vs. the past? I don't see tons of street photographers in NYC. If it was truly trendy, I think I would see more.

The idea is to go out, take zillions of pictures of everything and everybody and then possibly ending up with few decent images.

Hmmm, this is what many successful people do too.
 
It's definitely tragic. I do agree about the trendiness of street photography and the idea that taking pictures of homeless people is primarily a gratuitous and exploitative act.
 
By the sound of it, the victim was an amateur (so am I but I'm 'into' photography). She lifts her iPhone like she probably did many times photographing herself and her friends with a glass of red. Nothing sticks out more than a camera phone/digital compact held out at arms length.

You can 'hide' behind a viewfinder, you can't hide behind a P&S.
 
How did you quantify the present vs. the past? I don't see tons of street photographers in NYC. If it was truly trendy, I think I would see more.

Read any forum -starting with this one-, google for street photography, street photography courses...
Small, RF kinda cameras are now selling more and more. Look at Fujifilm section of any forum...

Street pictures are everywhere. Homeless ad poverty are a favorite subject, for a multitude of reasons of course.

To me it really look obvious that there is a trend in street photography. Possibly, I am totally idiot and just dreamed about it.🙁



Hmmm, this is what many successful people do too.




What I am referring to, is the activity of shooting randomly many photographs, without even looking at the OV or display. Just collecting hundreds of them just to see what comes out.

In the past there were a tiny fraction of people using cameras at all and especially for anything else than family pictures.
Digital and phone cameras have made this activity accessible, very cheap and very popular.
Just look at the millions of pictures loaded to fb, instagram, etc on a daily basis.



Not everybody likes having somebody popping up with a wide lens two inches from his nose and start taking pictures. More so if the interest of the photograph arises from a distressful situation.
 
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