LA woman stabbed, killed taking pictures of homeless

I don't doubt that the vast majority of Americans are warm and compassionate people. Just that the system lets people down.

It's amazing, isn't it, that we spend more on the military than the next 20 or 30 countries put together, yet we have the highest child poverty rates of our fellow rich countries?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

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Our priorities are saddening.
 
When photographing on the street it is very easy to get tunnel vision and focus in on your photos. IMHO the moral here is to stay very aware of everything happening around you. Dangerous situations can develop very quickly. Just stay alert folks.

And, for what it is worth, I also find the image of the lady preparing to photograph the Busker (interesting term that I had not yet heard) was very well done. At least she was engaging in conversation with the gentleman and did not appear to be trying to attempt a drive-by "shooting." Unfortunately the circumstances which resulted in this other young lady's death sounded much different.
 
It's amazing, isn't it, that we spend more on the military than the next 20 or 30 countries put together, yet we have the highest child poverty rates of our fellow rich countries?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

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Our priorities are saddening.

It's simple really, nobody makes money off of poor people. The money is in getting jobs for companies that make weapons, etc. - so they can get money to lobby with - to get you to get them jobs.

I seem to recall Eisenhower warning us about this happening...
 
It's amazing, isn't it, that we spend more on the military than the next 20 or 30 countries put together, yet we have the highest child poverty rates of our fellow rich countries?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

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Our priorities are saddening.

I would agree that we spend too much on our military. But I do find your statement a bit misleading. Are you trying to say that we have more children living in poverty in the United States then live in poverty in China or Russia?

Finally, while we obviously spend a whole lot of money on our military, too much IMHO, we also spend a huge amount of money on many other programs as well, and I strongly suspect that the graph showing the amount of Medicare spending, which definitely benefits many, many poor in the United States, would also dwarf similar spending in other nations.

But, it isn't as much fun to post those graphs.
 
I think many people do not realise how quickly a situation like this unfortunate woman faced can turn ugly. As Hepcat said you cannot tell if someone is unstable. In this case both the victim and her friend were physically assaulted after she refused their demand for $1 after she had pulled out her cell phone to take a picture of them and their signs. The assailant jumped on top of her, knocking her to the ground and pinning her there. When she got up she realised she had been stabbed. She died very shortly afterwards.

I worked with inner-city unemployed for 17 years. Many were itinerant and queued up each night to get a bunk bed in a charity hostel. The unlucky ones slept rough. Most had drug or alcohol dependence. A significant proportion had a serious mental illness like schizophrenia - fluphenazine prescriptions were commonplace. When they forgot to take their meds, or if it was lost or stolen, they became unstable - but that was not always easy to identify. Unstable people can appear quite normal and then explode in just a second.

Each morning clients would queue at my office for help to find casual work. It was quite common for them to arrive showing evidence of having been bashed during the night. Sometimes they said the perpetrators were other homeless, sometimes young thugs, and sometimes they claimed it was the police. Most smelt of urine. Their world was very different from mine. All the staff, including me, knew almost all the clients by first name.

Despite the familiarity with clients one of my work colleagues was savagely bashed and hospitalised by a client he had interviewed earlier in the day. The person followed and ambushed him as he walked home. He had no idea at all why he was targeted. It was probably just another mentally ill person. Maybe my colleague said something during the interview that upset the client. It could have been anything at all; something entirely innocuous. You do not know what an unstable person is thinking. My friend required facial surgery and was scarred for life, both physically and emotionally. He left the job a short time later.

Hepcat's description of the world that homeless and street people live in concords with my own experience and observations. It is easy for people without experience to assume that danger signals are predictable, easily identified and avoidable. Tragically this woman in LA did not appear to see the possibility of danger when she raised her camera and refused to give in to the demand for payment. It is quite likely that there were no cues, it was a busy street and this all happened very fast.

Risk is everywhere, but if you photograph people who are obviously homeless, marginalised, or assertively panhandling, consider asking first or be prepared to run. Even if you are polite, something about you, even just speaking to them, can trigger an episode that may end as tragically as this one.

That's why I said "take care out there shooting on the streets, people" in my opening post.
 
I was out on a bike ride one day and saw a van coming off a road ramp too fast, skid, and flip over. There was one other person there, a young adult woman who had already brought out her cell phone. I pulled up and asked if she was calling 911. I saw she was taking pictures through the Instagram app. I proceeded make the call and when I was through I asked why she didn't call first? She said she thought the whole thing was "cool" and had to take pictures first. I said that there were two men as I could see, still in the van and they might be hurt. She flipped me the bird and walked away. Thankfully the two men were ok and climbed out of the van by the time the police arrived.
 
When photographing on the street it is very easy to get tunnel vision and focus in on your photos. IMHO the moral here is to stay very aware of everything happening around you. Dangerous situations can develop very quickly. Just stay alert folks.

That is why a few of us here in NYC go out in a small group when going to NYC's more infamous neighborhoods (but not too infamous). It's nice to have someone watch your back while your looking through your VF.
 
I was out on a bike ride one day and saw a van coming off a road ramp too fast, skid, and flip over. There was one other person there, a young adult woman who had already brought out her cell phone. I pulled up and asked if she was calling 911. I saw she was taking pictures through the Instagram app. I proceeded make the call and when I was through I asked why she didn't call first? She said she thought the whole thing was "cool" and had to take pictures first. I said that there were two men as I could see, still in the van and they might be hurt. She flipped me the bird and walked away. Thankfully the two men were ok and climbed out of the van by the time the police arrived.

She did what many photographers have done for years ...photograph "others" while not getting involved. I couldn't do it. I'm sure you remember this:

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I would agree that we spend too much on our military. But I do find your statement a bit misleading. Are you trying to say that we have more children living in poverty in the United States then live in poverty in China or Russia?

I'm talking about countries like the one above us, as well as most of the rich countries in Europe; the kinds we compare ourselves to frequently (e.g., Canada, Australia, the UK, France, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Italy, New Zealand, etc). Our poverty rates are pretty bad in comparison to other "developed" (i.e., rich) countries.

Finally, while we obviously spend a whole lot of money on our military, too much IMHO, we also spend a huge amount of money on many other programs as well, and I strongly suspect that the graph showing the amount of Medicare spending, which definitely benefits many, many poor in the United States, would also dwarf similar spending in other nations.

But, it isn't as much fun to post those graphs.

You're right, but not in the way you think. All of the other countries I mentioned have universal healthcare, which we don't. That's basically Medicare, but for *everyone*, and not just for people over 65. And yes, they do spend much less than we do, but they spend much less than we do to cover *everyone* (which, again, we don't). There are lots of reasons for that, but one of them is because we're one of the only countries where our government isn't allowed *by law* to negotiate the prices of drugs with drug companies. I'll leave you to guess whether other rich countries let corporations write their laws nearly as much as we do.
 
..heading quickly into...

not that hard to understand, eh?

No, I don't understand. I have read the whole thread, which deals with something quite sensitive ; and many posts are very interesting and sensible, written by responsible adult people, and I see neither insults nor what you predict coming.

What happened took place in the USA but it could have happened in any rich country with many homeless.

And it has much to do with photography, in that it involves the photographic gesture in a kind of modern tragedy.

A special photographic gesture actually, which we could call the contemporary compulsive cell phone photographic gesture. This is where the discussion matters and has something to do 100% with "photography general interest".

Very different from, say, Diane Arbus' approach. And Diane knew the homeless and freaks quite well, didn't she ?
 
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