kevin m
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Sides? It's always a petty turf war over words with you, isn't it? You use words to heighten differences, rather than attempt to achieve any understanding, and that just leads to conflict and divisiveness on a forum.
Use "specialty" rather than "novelty" if you find it a more accurate term, and try to assume the best, rather than the worst, about your fellow forum members for once.
cam
the need for speed
thank you for all your tips on the f/.95. popsicle sticks, LOL!
i have a later version pre-asph 35 Lux that i love and am quite happy with. still, i will take a look at the CV when i get a chance. winter is a coming.
(i hope you don't mind me highlighting) forget about the lens not being perfection, i want to know how you know what i do every night? is france really that small?
tamed a bit, perhaps, but not forgotten....
and out of curiosity, which pre-asph version do (did) you have? i have the E43 (1962) and find it very distinctive, even past the sweet spot. i must admit that i haven't tested any Crons in this focal length, so i cannot say that the draw would or would not be different.
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kevin m
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Cam, I had the penultimate pre-asph. with 46mm filter, .7 meter focus and pull out hood. I owned the 35 Aspherical Summilux, the 24 Elmarit and the 90mm pre-asph Summicron at the same time, but the 'lux is the only one I regret selling. (you hear me, Dave!? ) It is the perfect people lens, IMO, and I see by the pics you posted in the 'lux thread that you're making great use of its qualities.
) It is the perfect people lens, IMO, and I see by the pics you posted in the 'lux thread that you're making great use of its qualities.
cam
the need for speed
Cam, I had the penultimate pre-asph. with 46mm filter, .7 meter focus and pull out hood. I owned the 35 Aspherical Summilux, the 24 Elmarit and the 90mm pre-asph Summicron at the same time, but the 'lux is the only one I regret selling. (you hear me, Dave!?
thank you, Kevin! i thought you were talking about the E46. that's not quite as "distinctive" as the older ones like i have. the E46 i can see come closer to the Cron stopped down. it has a more refined character. my old boy has a draw that i love to bits, right down to it's unexpected flare, and i know it so well i recognised it when a friend borrowed it on his M8 and put the pics up on flickr. sad, isn't it, that i can recognise things shot on that particular lens? but, see, i do notice those things. the little nuances make me happy. but they don't change the way i shoot (mostly because i am still learning my new lenses and do not have the experience of, say, Roger)...
i probably would have gotten the penultimate pre-asph (i can't believe you sold that!) had i understood about the closer focusing. but i didn't and doubt i'll ever trade my old flare gun
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kevin m
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Fred, in my opinion, all the superspeed lenses are novelty lenses relative to their more normal brethren, and I say that as an owner of one. You really have to need what they offer - or think you do - to make their hefty penalties in weight, cost, clumsiness and idiosyncrasies worth the bother.
But by all means call them "specialty" lenses if that's the better term in your view.
You really have to need what they offer - or think you do - to make their hefty penalties in weight, cost, clumsiness and idiosyncrasies worth the bother.But by all means call them "specialty" lenses if that's the better term in your view.
gdi
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kevin m
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The e46, your wallet will be sad to hear, is nearly flare-proof.
cam
the need for speed
The e46, your wallet will be sad to hear, is nearly flare-proof.
thank you, dearheart
but i've grown quite fond of my flare and learned, for the most part, how to avoid it. my friend has not. besides, i need to save my pennies for a novelty/specialty lens that everyone can bash but still won't give me closer focusing :bang:btw, what's your poison? the Canon from the excellent pic you posted?
cam
the need for speed
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Well not exactly. You stated that: "If you need the speed, or simply like the signature, then you should be shooting them near full-aperture, because once you stop down past the f2.8-f4.0 range, most 50mm lenses look more alike than not. It doesn't make much sense to live with the bulk, the slow focusing and - particularly in the case of the Noctilux - the expense of a superspeed lens to shoot it stoppped down, because as general purpose lenses, all superspeed 50's lose one of the chief advantages of the RF world, compact size." This is an opinion not a fact, as has been stated elsewhere in the thread some folks disagree with you on this. The bulk bothers you- fine, but others are not going to agree, especially if they want the option of f0.95.
And towards the fanning of flames:
...It would be nice if we could actually exchange something besides snide comments for once.
Might you please take some of your own advice and find a way to agree to disagree? You are getting pretty tiresome.
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kevin m
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Yes, that's likely the only superspeed 50 I'll own at today's prices. The effect is more important to me than ultimate quality, especially in light of the price difference.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
An internet thread ruined your entire evening (this thread of all threads) ... !!!!????
I thought you had far more sense than that!
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Well I guess a bunch of you also got the email, but the press release states:
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I feel your pain Richard! I think forum management should update the database to include automatic censorship of the word 'Noctilux'
Then of course the diehards would come up with alternate spellings like we have to with; 'sh1t' ... fu[k ... and recently ph0t0p00!
Hmm ... let me think! no[t1lux
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Oh cm0n KE1tH, there's occasional real discussion amid the [r@p. Just whenever the Noctilux comes up the b@shers start throwing it like monkeys in the zoo.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
At least Ned (god bless him) used to back up his arguments with some pretty good pics. This is just a sh1t fight and not much about photography!
Do they fight like this in the pinhole forum ... "my pinhole's bigger than yours!"
Do they fight like this in the pinhole forum ... "my pinhole's bigger than yours!"
Turtle
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...this is an example of the lens is being used because it is the tool for the job! As for the first question, I suppose it can only ever be a matter of opinion. I suppose the creative reason/technical need comes first leading one to select the appropriate tool whereas the lame justification comes after deciding to use that particular tool and creating conditions to justify its use. Just thoughs. Maybe the signature of the Nocti is such that even past 1.4 it is the preferred lens of some, but heck, at what price does that signature come? I guess what I am saying is that unless one needs the Nocti for what only the Nocti can do, it sems fairly daft to spend all that money. If one has the money to spend thats wonderful, but it seems wealthy hobbyists have more of a 'need' than pros or earning photographers. I don't have anything against the lens or its owners, but at least car collectors or even camera collectors are often honest about owning something because they love the sense of ownership. They don't pretend that they need the 1968 Ferrari whatever because its the only way they can go shopping
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Roger Hicks
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We are of one mind on this. Certes, I agree very substantially with many of the 'bashers' who despise the vast majority of (extremely dull) f/1 still lifes or static street scenes with 1/8000 sec. or an N.D. filter or both -- though of course, there must be a few people who can use even this to advantage.
What p's me off is the assertion -- not widespread, but equally, far from unknown -- that the ONLY reason that ANYONE buys a Noctilux is so they can boast about it.
As I have said elsewhere, normally most people have no idea of (or interest in) what lens was used for a given picture. Either it's a good pic or it isn't. Or at least, it's better than you could have got any other way. For me, the Noctilux delivered far more pictures that I liked than I expected. So I'd buy one if I could afford it...
Incidentally, a belated apology. You said a few weeks ago, "I am in a high-risk area." I had not realized you were in Kabul when I asked, "Where are you?" Absolutely honestly, I have known people to ask whether English pubs are safe! (Well, maybe at the height of Noraid and the IRA the answer would have been different, but even then, you were not taking your life in your hands in the average boozer.) Differing expectations, and not knowing your correspondent's background, are the norm on the internet.
Cheers,
R.
kevin m
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Has anyone on this forum said such a thing? You often cite these "others" who say inflammatory things, but are you sure it's not just an overly-sensitive reading between the lines? :angel: