Leica CL & Elmarit to be announced on 11/21/17

[Huss]

Have you looked THROUGH the EVF instead of at it? Numbers do not make an image. I guess the EVF is by Panasonic and close to the GX8 one, which is pretty darn good.

I will on Friday. Leica Store says they will have their demo in then. I'll take along an SD card and perhaps some M lenses to use on it.

 

[Emile de Leon]

Huss...definitely interested in your findings there..

 

[Emile de Leon]

Nice to see some pics too..!

 

[mod2001]

CL is not a run of the mill APS-C camera, as it is the only one that works really well with M mount lenses.

Let see if this is really the case, besides, the Fujis as well as the Sony A7x have only a problems with some lenses, mostly WA. My 35 Cron and 50 Lux work flawlessly on both platforms, similar to most of the other M-lenses, just don't like to focus via EVF, that why I would never consider them or the CL as alternative to a M.

It's a new $2800 24mp M body to me, as I already have a tub full o' M lenses.

Well, but it's still no M. Or would you pay 100K for a Toyota Corolla because you can put in a Porsche engine? 😉

Don't you have an M body? Because for a few bucks more you get a used M240 these days, 24MP, FF and a real Rangefinder, plus EVF if you need it.

Be it as it may, Leica should imho put more effort in their Q- (especially Firmware updates, just saying) and M-series instead of wasting time with merciless overpriced APS-C cameras or in some parts SLs. The competition in this segment is simply too strong with mostly near equal quality and form factor for a third of the price. An M is even w/o CCD special and unique, a Q somehow too, that's what people pay for and this is the only reason Leica still exists.

Jürgen

 

[Bille]

Might be a nice backup for M users who absolutely refuse to use a Sony a7 / a6000.

 

[Lucadomi]

I like it, but it is out of my price range.
I have no experience with Leica digital, other than the M8 for a short time. Actually, a redesigned M8 with a silent shutter and better ISO would have been great.
Anyway, I will have to stick with my Nex 7 for now (I do have a nice Summaron on it)

 

[Ken Ford]

IMO what would really make this take off is a Leica quality focal length converting M adapter.

 

[Godfrey]

But, the X-series and probably the CL and TL have Sony sensors....

And so what? I don't know whether they do or not.
No problems with them anyway, far as I'm aware.

What point are you trying to make?

 

[Godfrey]

Hmmm, well, um, it had the red Leica logo and the name "Leica" on the front and "Leica Camera Germany" on the back and, having read the catalogue I expected it to behave like a Leica and I expect Leicas to be thoroughly and individually tested...

Having said that I'll add that Leica behave responsibly and I'll risk saying that it's behaved itself ever since I got it back at least a decade ago; I hope the M9 will do the same. (But it's not the oldest digital camera I have and use; the oldest s from 2000.)

Regards, David

"Thorough and individual testing" mean nothing when a problem endemic to the manufacture of a component requires a few YEARs to become evident, which is what happened with the M9 sensor family. Do you want Leica to build a camera and use it for a decade before they release it for sale?? That's not going to make the "want the latest, bleeding edge innovation NOW" crowd. 😀

 

[Godfrey]

Except that the sensor was in a Leica camera, which kind of made it a Leica problem. Invoking the Hans Solo defense is a little disingenuous.

I don't think it is when the same sensor used in Leica, Pentax, Olympus, and Sony has problems, and is made by Sony; when all fail in the same way and require replacement by Sony through the individual manufacturers. And when Sony funded both the manufacture of the replacements and the different manufacturers' repair programs to solve the issue.

That's not a Leica, Pentax, or Olympus camera problem ... it's a Sony component problem.

G

 

[Luke_Miller]

CL is not a run of the mill APS-C camera, as it is the only one that works really well with M mount lenses.

Sean Reid on his subscription site has a CL review and tested it with a couple of wide M lenses. His findings are the edges and corners are soft on the CL. I was hopeful of the CL being an APS-C EVF M alternative, but I'm not (yet) seeing it.

 

[ptpdprinter]

Sean Reid on his subscription site has a CL review and tested it with a couple of wide M lenses. His findings are the edges and corners are soft on the CL. I was hopeful of the CL being an APS-C EVF M alternative, but I'm not (yet) seeing it.

I think the SL is the EVF M alternative. Using an APS-C camera with FF lenses is a problem FOV wise on the normal and wide end.

 

[ptpdprinter]

FWIW, Dpreview reports that the 18mm CL lens is manufactured in Japan. Fortunately, if it turns out not to be an excellent lens, according to Godfrey, it won’t be a Leica problem.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

...
Don't you have an M body? ...

It has nothing to do with it. All what is matter is Made in Germany. Not only made, but designed in Germany and by the German.

You could put in Corolla entire Tesla hot rod, but it is still going to looks like Toyota. Lexus never going to be Mercedes. People with big money are paying not for guts inside, but for how it looks and feels.

And of course it is going to cost twice if it is made in Germany for obvious reasons. The price includes Leica labor, which doesn't work every other Friday, have billiards, vending machines with beer at work, which makes them slow and slightly sloppy every afternoon and taxes for Leica to pay which goes to support not only Germany and German people.

 

[David Hughes]

"Thorough and individual testing" mean nothing when a problem endemic to the manufacture of a component requires a few YEARs to become evident, which is what happened with the M9 sensor family. Do you want Leica to build a camera and use it for a decade before they release it for sale?? That's not going to make the "want the latest, bleeding edge innovation NOW" crowd. 😀

Hmm, well, I don't know if all of them failed or just a batch or what so I can't answer that.

As for the bleeding etc crowd; I'm glad I'm in the tried and tested and lasts forever mob. I thought we all were, as Leica users.

Regards, David

 

[Emile de Leon]

Leica is like this guy...when they have a problem...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo

 

[Huss]

Hmm, well, I don't know if all of them failed or just a batch or what so I can't answer that.

It was the batch made between 2009 to 2014.

 

[ptpdprinter]

People are always going to do this until Leica makes a digital M that everyone can afford. The reccurring dream of RFF.

If the CL were marketed as a Lumix at this price, I think there would be the same amount of derision, which begs the question, what does it being a Leica bring to the table.

 

[jsrockit]

Sean Reid on his subscription site has a CL review and tested it with a couple of wide M lenses. His findings are the edges and corners are soft on the CL.

Predictable really. M lens belong on a M body... IMO.

 

[jsrockit]

If the CL were marketed as a Lumix at this price, I think there would be the same amount of derision, which begs the question, what does it being a Leica bring to the table.

Even more so... but Panasonic does not have the name to charge this price. That is why Leica gets heat. They do have the name to charge this price.