Ok, so it appears Leica is going to make that digital M without an LCD that some want... well, if you believe the rumors:
http://leicarumors.com/2014/09/08/l...ppears-briefly-on-leicas-german-website.aspx/
http://leicarumors.com/2014/09/07/a...ca-is-rumored-to-introduce-at-photokina.aspx/
http://leicarumors.com/2014/09/08/l...ppears-briefly-on-leicas-german-website.aspx/
http://leicarumors.com/2014/09/07/a...ca-is-rumored-to-introduce-at-photokina.aspx/
Jack Sparrow
Well-known
xdayv
Color Blind
This looks interesting. I wonder how the Leica users will react. For me, I'm keeping an eye on this, instead of going back to film, I might meet halfway with this.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
No LCD .... fewer controls ... no video ... and a higher price than the M240! 
LOL ... who else but the Solms elves can get away with this!
LOL ... who else but the Solms elves can get away with this!
Jack Sparrow
Well-known
I don't know... Sounds kind of stupid, if you ask me. Why not just shoot film, then?
You also give up video and all sorts of other features. Unless perhaps, when using an EVF. But such a stripped down camera might not have an EVF port? And even if it did; it seems to counter the whole concept behind the camera in the first place.
You also give up video and all sorts of other features. Unless perhaps, when using an EVF. But such a stripped down camera might not have an EVF port? And even if it did; it seems to counter the whole concept behind the camera in the first place.
judsonzhao
Well-known
Have no idea how this will eventually come out, I don't think it's a smart idea anyway..
Anything digital try to mimic film is stupid IMO sorry for my wording. I never saw Leica try to sell any digital stuff by calling up the film memories, it's not as professional as it should be.
Anything digital try to mimic film is stupid IMO sorry for my wording. I never saw Leica try to sell any digital stuff by calling up the film memories, it's not as professional as it should be.
tuanvinh2000
Well-known
i used to shoot with the epson rd1s folding the screen away for 2 years
no problems. should we expect the ISO dial to work similar to Fuji XT1? would be nice. i dont mind having one but not really into shooting digital atm.
btgc
Veteran
People who are sure about their exposure abilities already have choice of disabling picture review (set 0 sec.)
Of course, no LCD is really stylish approach...and saves a few bucks...for manufacturer, anyway ))
Of course, no LCD is really stylish approach...and saves a few bucks...for manufacturer, anyway ))
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
YES!!
Leave it to Leica to pursue the smart and innovative thing.
I hope they:
1. Leave a tiny LCD that shows histogram, battery, iso, exposure compensation, picture number, etc.
2. Give an option to send a preview image to the nearest bluetooth equipped smart phone. I don't *always* want a preview, but it makes sense to be able to do it *when* I do.
3. Trim the fat. I want this one to be as lean as my M4-P.
4. Longer battery life without the juice-sucking big-screen.
Now Ricoh or Fuji, it's your move.
Make this affordable
Leave it to Leica to pursue the smart and innovative thing.
I hope they:
1. Leave a tiny LCD that shows histogram, battery, iso, exposure compensation, picture number, etc.
2. Give an option to send a preview image to the nearest bluetooth equipped smart phone. I don't *always* want a preview, but it makes sense to be able to do it *when* I do.
3. Trim the fat. I want this one to be as lean as my M4-P.
4. Longer battery life without the juice-sucking big-screen.
Now Ricoh or Fuji, it's your move.
Make this affordable
YYV_146
Well-known
Why couldn't existing M users tape the screen up? Why wouldn't Leica put in a modern, nice hinged display? Then the user could maybe choose between screen and no screen?
Lauffray
Invisible Cities
I'm sure they're going to sell this at a premium. One thing they could do better imo is slim it down, the digital Ms are way too chunky for what is technically possible today. Look at the Sonys and the Fujis
On the other hand, people will surely complain no matter what they do (or don't do)
On the other hand, people will surely complain no matter what they do (or don't do)
FrozenInTime
Well-known
I hope they:
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3. Trim the fat. I want this one to be as lean as my M4-P.
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Make this affordable![]()
A lean, thin , minimalist camera would really hit the mark.
A limited run M.240 body with a blanking plate for the LCD - will not.
Jack Sparrow
Well-known
While the camera, in concept, might be thinner - I doubt the other dimensions will change. Leica's not about to create a new body for a special edition.
VertovSvilova
Well-known
Apparently it's going to have the same body dimensions as the current M240. I doubt Leica would tool a completely different body shape just for this camera. They are well known for using existing parts to make so-called 'new editions.'
"The thickness and dimensions will also be similar to the M240."
"The M60 will most likely be a limited edition run and it will come together with one lens (either the 35mm or 50mm Summilux). A famous designer (or design studio) will be involved in the making of this model. This limited M60 will be made out of a "unique" metal/material - something that Leica has never done before and it will be priced "reasonably" (in Leica terms.)"
This won't have the same tactile feel as a film M nor the same ergonomics (e.g., film advance lever.) Or the weight/heft and shape. And of course the shutter won't be a cloth shutter with the distinct film M sound and feel. imho, what makes a film M so satisfying to use are those things missing in the current digital versions. Like Jack Sparrow says, why not just use a film M. Nikon tried this with the Df and look what happened. It seems like a digital camera can never be made to feel exactly like film cameras of the past.
"The thickness and dimensions will also be similar to the M240."
"The M60 will most likely be a limited edition run and it will come together with one lens (either the 35mm or 50mm Summilux). A famous designer (or design studio) will be involved in the making of this model. This limited M60 will be made out of a "unique" metal/material - something that Leica has never done before and it will be priced "reasonably" (in Leica terms.)"
This won't have the same tactile feel as a film M nor the same ergonomics (e.g., film advance lever.) Or the weight/heft and shape. And of course the shutter won't be a cloth shutter with the distinct film M sound and feel. imho, what makes a film M so satisfying to use are those things missing in the current digital versions. Like Jack Sparrow says, why not just use a film M. Nikon tried this with the Df and look what happened. It seems like a digital camera can never be made to feel exactly like film cameras of the past.
I don't know... Sounds kind of stupid, if you ask me. Why not just shoot film, then?
You may prefer the results of digital but the feel of film cameras?
JuJu
Well-known
Hey, that is my idea from 3 years ago! But I think it's gonna be a disappointment if it's just an M240 with screen removed...
FrozenInTime
Well-known
This limited M60 will be made out of a "unique" metal/material - something that Leica has never done before
Element #60 would make for interesting handling.
FrozenInTime
Well-known
This limited M60 will be made out of a "unique" metal/material - something that Leica has never done before
Anyone have any thoughts on cobalt-chromium alloy for a camera body ?
It looks good; it's machine-able, tough, scratch resistant and good enough for medical implants and dental work.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
I will believe it when I see it. If a special edition, my estimate of the price is $ 30.000 or so..
Not very interesting really, especially as I am perfectly capable of switching off the LCD on all my other digitals..... (no, I do not own a Leica T....)
As for the thickness, consider the register distance of the lenses. Leica is bound by the retrocompatability off their legacy lenses. Just put an M adapter on an NEX and note the "tower" protruding....
The LCD does indeed contribute to the thickness of the DigiMs, but then, the mount protrudes a bit as well. The main culprit is, however, the sensor/motherboard assembly. So for a thin camera, you would want a sensorless camera....
Not very interesting really, especially as I am perfectly capable of switching off the LCD on all my other digitals..... (no, I do not own a Leica T....)
As for the thickness, consider the register distance of the lenses. Leica is bound by the retrocompatability off their legacy lenses. Just put an M adapter on an NEX and note the "tower" protruding....
The LCD does indeed contribute to the thickness of the DigiMs, but then, the mount protrudes a bit as well. The main culprit is, however, the sensor/motherboard assembly. So for a thin camera, you would want a sensorless camera....
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Anyone have any thoughts on cobalt-chromium alloy for a camera body ?
It looks good; it's machine-able, tough, scratch resistant and good enough for medical implants and dental work.
Beautiful idea. Have the camera implanted into your head and save on computers, monitors and printers
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