Leica M10 Monochrom picture leaked online

Screw that screw. What effect does it have on image quality or camera usability? I'd love to have that camera--and I'd use the hell out of it, even in crappy conditions where it might accumulate a bit of wear and dust.

I don't use cameras as a fondling substitute. I *shoot* with the damned things. Isn't that what they're for?
 
For me it doesn't make a difference, I think there are at least 20 ft left on the roll of black electrical tape,
in case the screw does annoy the hell out of me when I look through the finder ... but I doubt it.:D

Can I see some images please ...
taken with the camera, not of the camera? :rolleyes:
 
Psychologically, this is Leica showing their contempt for us. They know their customers will buy anything. Royal Danish Wedding - really? So they're giving us a big screw.

This is a tough pill to swallow, but so be it. The screw is one of the most vital parts of the camera. We have to be strong in spirit and be thankful for what they have given us.
 
I love my M246, now that it is dialed in, but I regard debugging a new digital M across 13 lenses with the same excitement I have about walking into a car dealership...
 
ptpdprinter said:
Debugging? Dialing in? What exactly are you doing?
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Probably, as has been my experience, getting all the lenses focusing properly with the rangefinder. What I have found with digital Ms is that when purchased they all need to go off for calibration, then re-calibrated every 2-3 years (bear in mind 2 years for me is ~20,000 images and 5-700 shoots). My 246 and 28, 2x50 and 75 lenses are off now having that done during their 'vacation' in Wetzlar.

One opportunity the M10 Mono poses for me is to have 2 B&W Ms so I can always be in possession of one for use. Sounds a bit like 1980s Jaguars, but it is what it is.

Marty
 
Leica M10 Monochrom picture leaked online

I will hold off on this model and wait for the red screw limited edition.


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This might just be my Leica camera going forward. I will start selling some stuff.
 
Freakscene said:
It looks amazing. I do still wish that Leica would build a monochrome sensor camera with a 4 or 5 stop nd filter array over some of the sensor pixels to increase the highlight exposure range. Cameras can process the rgb input from bayer filter sensors so it should be trivial to implement, but it hasn’t been done. There are still plenty of situations where the highlight rendition and/or the way highlights blend to pure white is a lot less nice than it was on film.
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I have no idea how "a 4 or 5 stop nd filter array over some of the sensor pixels to increase the highlight exposure range" could be a practical solution to the dynamic range problem."

However, I am willing to learn more about this idea.

What Determines Dynamic Range

A sensor's effective analog dynamic is directly proportion to its analog signal-to-noise ratio. More exposure (longer shutter times, wider apertures and illuminance) increases the signal level. The dynamic range is maximized by maximizing exposure.

Another factor that affects dynamic range is the sensor's photodiode conversion gain. Designs with a low conversion gain increase the number of photoelectrons that can be stored as electrical charge in each photodiode. This maximizes signal in bright light, which in our increases dynamic range. But in low light (when dynamic range is not important) a high conversion gain maximizes photo diode sensitivity. This means camera designers must choose a compromise conversion-gain to maximize dynamic range at the expense of sensitivity - or vice versa.

The noise consists of electronic noise (read noise) due common to all circuits. Another source of noise is photon noise (also called shot noise or quantum noise.).[1] For most contemporary digital cameras the read noise level is lower than the photon noise level unless the scene illuminance is extremely low less than - EV = -3. Photon noise levels are camera independent.[2] This means exposure and conversion gain determine the maximum dynamic range.



1. Photon noise is inherent to turning light every into photoelectrons. The source cause is related to the particle-wave duality*nature of quantum mechanics. The creation of photoelectrons empirically probabilistic. The variation in photoelectron creation for a consent exposure is beyond human control.

2. Sensor area and pixel size both serve to maximize an image's total signal level. However pixel size has a limited effect in contemporary designs - details here.
 
willie_901 said:
I have no idea how "a 4 or 5 stop nd filter array over some of the sensor pixels to increase the highlight exposure range" could be a practical solution to the dynamic range problem."

However, I am willing to learn more about this idea.

What Determines Dynamic Range

A sensor's effective analog dynamic is directly proportion to its analog signal-to-noise ratio. More exposure (longer shutter times, wider apertures and illuminance) increases the signal level. The dynamic range is maximized by maximizing exposure.

Another factor that affects dynamic range is the sensor's photodiode conversion gain. Designs with a low conversion gain increase the number of photoelectrons that can be stored as electrical charge in each photodiode. This maximizes signal in bright light, which in our increases dynamic range. But in low light (when dynamic range is not important) a high conversion gain maximizes photo diode sensitivity. This means camera designers must choose a compromise conversion-gain to maximize dynamic range at the expense of sensitivity - or vice versa.

The noise consists of electronic noise (read noise) due common to all circuits. Another source of noise is photon noise (also called shot noise or quantum noise.).[1] For most contemporary digital cameras the read noise level is lower than the photon noise level unless the scene illuminance is extremely low less than - EV = -3. Photon noise levels are camera independent.[2] This means exposure and conversion gain determine the maximum dynamic range.



1. Photon noise is inherent to turning light every into photoelectrons. The source cause is related to the particle-wave duality*nature of quantum mechanics. The creation of photoelectrons empirically probabilistic. The variation in photoelectron creation for a consent exposure is beyond human control.

2. Sensor area and pixel size both serve to maximize an image's total signal level. However pixel size has a limited effect in contemporary designs - details here.
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You have misunderstood me. Please note that I said exposure range, not dynamic range. They are different. Dynamic range is what the sensor gives you and you have explained above, exposure range is what you get out of the camera.

This is a good summary: https://theonlinephotographer.typep...namic-range-is-not-exposure-range-part-i.html

An ND filter would provide the sensor with a way to obtain information in brighter areas of the photo (however many stops the filter was), where it currently is pure white or “clipped” as it is commonly called. This would allow the camera to get additional highlight information and more importantly provide gentler tonal transition in the highlights of the images. The DR of the sensor would, of course, stay the same. Some microscope cameras work this way and save having to bracket and stack the images.

Marty
 
On Leica Rumors an interesting view of the top plate on the M10M: it shows an ISO dial where a film rewind would be.

I'm not sure if I like it or not. On one hand I'm a minimalist, but then on the other hand it could be a convenient feature. I sit in the middle.

So now we have something new to fight over.

The 41 MP count got confirmed. I figure crazy resolution of say a 60 MP color sensor. Many say the lack of a Bayer Filter Array increases resolution by a third.

Then there is a report of a lowered highest ISO. Not sure how this effects the sensor design or for what the sensor was optimized for.

I'd be curious about Willie's response since he has an interesting technical background.

BTW high ISO for me is 1600. I never go higher. I like clean files and that's what is important to me. This is carried over from film I guess, and also because I tend to minimize post processing and optimize at time of image capture.

Cal
 
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