Leica M10-R Buying Poll July 2020

[f.hayek]

Almost a year ago I got a great deal on my green M10-P and have no plans to upgrade.

I did the same... Love the lacquer green! The M10P is the full realization of the M digital.
My Mac doesn't have the processing horsepower or space for the larger files of the R. Besides, 24MP is the 'sweet spot' for me.

If I do have the money for a new camera in the coming years, i'd also go for the Hasselblad X1D Mk II. My Xpan lenses will do well on nicely on it.

 

[Michael Markey]

Just bought a CL and more than happy with that .
If I were going to buy another Leica it would be an SL.
I much prefer the flexibility of mirrorless cameras with an EVF .
They take my M lenses and most other lenses I have and I have the option of AF too .

I have three film M`s .

 

[Brian Atherton]

The only digital Leica M I’ve come anywhere near buying new is the Monochrom 246.

I’m still tempted but brain continues to overrule the heart: I have two film Ms and a stock of film that at my current rate of usage will take me another ten years to get through.

Colour sensor aside, it isn’t the price of M10-R that puts me off, it’s the size of the sensor: I just don’t need it.

 

[Rob-F]

I have no idea what I would do with so many pixels! The 18MP of my M9 already seems luxurious. But maybe I will get an M10 one of these days when I find a great deal on one like Bill Blackwell did.

 

[James24]

I have a not so old M10-P so don't plan to change in the near future.

But I might one day. A high resolution sensor means that images can be cropped much more and still have some reasonable definition.

 

[Out to Lunch]

As far as I understand the marketing hype, the major advantage of the latest and greatest Leica M camera is related to its 40 M pixel count. What advantages does this bring to the average photographer?

 

[jsrockit]

As far as I understand the marketing hype, the major advantage of the latest and greatest Leica M camera is related to its 40 M pixel count. What advantage does it bring to the average photographer?

Cropping ability and the ability to print larger... a 24mp print at 300 dpi is 13.5x20” and at 40mp at 300dpi you get about 17x27”... these are the sizes you can print and you can use a magnifying glass to review them. 😉

In reality, there isn’t as HUGE a difference between 24mp and 40mp as the mp numbers suggest. 24mp sensors are a great size for most people to use. So the advantage for the average person? Not much unless you like to crop heavily.

 

[Out to Lunch]

OK, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[rfaspen]

Have M9 and M240 covering digital now....would love M10 of any stripe, but not yet practical. Outcome of upcoming US election will have a big impact on when (if ever).
If the day comes, I would lean toward 10R because I do enough landscape while out photographing with my wife. Lots of pixels generally better for big prints, smooth PP, and cropping potential.

 

[giganova]

I've been shooting exclusively film since the 80s and have a bunch of analog M cameras and lenses, plus MF and LF. But over the past two weeks I only had my Fuji X-T3 with me (a camera that I have only occasionally used for family snapshots) and now I'm thinking whether I should make the switch from film to digital. Yes, the Fuji X-T3 is that good.

I find 40 Mpix too much because it makes files sizes larger, transfer slower, and the cropping ability makes you a lazy photographer. Plus, I find The 10-R cost prohibitive. If I'll get a digital body, it would be somewhere in the $5k range. So I'm thinking either an older M Monochrome or a Canon EOS R5. I could just keep shooting with the Fuji. but I'd rather have a camera with a larger sensor.

 

[narsuitus]

What did you not like about the M10?

It was defective. It broke three times in few months I owned it.

 

[Michael Markey]

Cropping ability and the ability to print larger... a 24mp print at 300 dpi is 13.5x20” and at 40mp at 300dpi you get about 17x27”... these are the sizes you can print and you can use a magnifying glass to review them. 😉

In reality, there isn’t as HUGE a difference between 24mp and 40mp as the mp numbers suggest. 24mp sensors are a great size for most people to use. So the advantage for the average person? Not much unless you like to crop heavily.

Saves me money and saves my back .
With a 40mp sensor I can leave that longer lens at home and crop instead or better still I don`t have to buy that longer lens .
Both my back and my bank balance are grateful .
Nothing to do with laziness or printing or even resolution : just being practical .

 

[raid]

It was defective. It broke three times in few months I owned it.

This is a bad sign ... 😱
I have not seen other posts on lemon M10 cameras.

 

[jsrockit]

Saves me money and saves my back .
With a 40mp sensor I can leave that longer lens at home and crop instead or better still I don`t have to buy that longer lens .
Both my back and my bank balance are grateful .
Nothing to do with laziness or printing or even resolution : just being practical .

I'm pretty sure I said cropping ability was the plus for the average person...but we are talking about the difference between a 35mm (at 40mp) and a 50mm (at 24mp after crop) ...I estimate. Nothing wrong with that if it works for you.

And I never said it was lazy. In my opinion, lazy is trying to correct bad framing after the fact... not accounting for a crop in your framing at the time you take the photo.

And generally speaking...of course more MPs are about printing for many people.

 

[Michael Markey]

My bad John .... I conflated two posts on the subject and yes the advantages viz viz a crop gives you with RF lenses is negligible compared to the average user using longer FL lenses.

I still think it a worthwhile feature on the Q2 though.

 

[Tim Gray]

The big advantage for me for the 40 mp is the new sensor tech. The resolution is nice, but the better ISO and dynamic range are more important. But they often come along with more resolution with a newer generation sensor. I would have been perfectly happy with 18-24 mp for the M10 Monochrom, but it was 40, so oh well. At least with the M10 you have the choice to buy the 24 mp versions, even though the R is cheaper than the P. Hopefully Leica knocks some $ off the older models.

 

[valdas]

When I think about digital photography Leica does not cross my mind...

 

[jsrockit]

I still think it a worthwhile feature on the Q2 though.

I do too... it's the only cameras I keep looking at lately. 🙂 They perfectly spread out the MPs across 28, 35, and 50 for me... but 75 is a bit too cropped.

 

[Godfrey]

As far as I understand the marketing hype, the major advantage of the latest and greatest Leica M camera is related to its 40 M pixel count. What advantages does this bring to the average photographer?

Jono Slack's impressions address this topic:
https://www.slack.co.uk/leica-m10-r.html

Summing up: I read that to say that the sensor produces better quality imaging as well as higher pixel resolution. It's the largest difference between the M10-R and the M10-P. There are also a couple of disadvantages that Jono points to.

 

[Michael Markey]

I do too... it's the only cameras I keep looking at lately. 🙂 They perfectly spread out the MPs across 28, 35, and 50 for me... but 75 is a bit too cropped.

Yes that seems to be the conclusion .... the 75 being a crop too far .