Leica M10-R Photos...

[Mute-on]

The Leica top plate script will be for the extra cost

M10-RP Professional

followed by the M-10RI infrared

followed by the limited edition infrared M-10-RIP

once the the M11 arrives.

🙂

Be Safe,

Stephen

Baaaahahaha. Nice one. Gave me a good chuckle. I needed that 😀

 

[Ko.Fe.]

As long as it is M and RF it is not going to look any different. Slight variations only.

I call Leica R&D to be lazy and archaic on two things.
First, 500 USD Canon Rebel's only one size of dng file.
Second, totally out of date absence on dust reducing.
Well, IBIS, is really third one, but for current state of German engineering it is too much of the rocket science. Even FujiNoFilm just recently made breakthrough with X-T4 on it. 🙂

 

[raid]

Baaaahahaha. Nice one. Gave me a good chuckle. I needed that 😀

It made me realize the fact that maybe I should wait for the M11 and not get an M10. 😕😀😎

 

[Huss]

It made me realize the fact that maybe I should wait for the M11 and not get an M10. 😕😀😎

Wait for the M11, and you can buy an M10 for $2500.
Right now used they are about $4000, even though they are almost double that new.

 

[raid]

Wait for the M11, and you can buy an M10 for $2500.
Right now used they are about $4000, even though they are almost double that new.

This is what comes to mind. A like-new M10 once the M11 has been introduced.

 

[Out to Lunch]

You can also wait for the M12, of course.

 

[raid]

You can also wait for the M12, of course.

Mathematically speaking: wait for the M👎 where n goes to infinity 😀

 

[Bill Blackwell]

... I am wondering with 40Mp does it imply that one has to use higher shutter speeds? It seems to me that even a little shake of the camera will create a motion blur on such a high res sensor. ...

+1

If using longer exposure times has not been found a problem by SL2, Q2, and all those other users of 40+ Mpixel FF cameras that are around these days, I doubt it will be a problem with an M with a 47MP sensor either. ...

Comparing the M10-R with the Q2 or SL2 is not an apples-to-apples proposition, even if the M10-R uses the exact same sensor. The Q2 and SL2 have image stabilization - the M10-R will not. Therefore, all of the argument/discussion about how other high resolution cameras work (when they have image stabilization) is irrelevant. Most hand-held shooters will be disappointed with the M10-R unless shooting in bright sunlight or with very high ISO. The M10-R will be a tri-pod only camera unless there is a reduced resolution mode.

Leica has perceived their customers want a high resolution M body now. The M10-R is simply a stop-gap between the M10 and M11 (which will have image stabilization).

 

[jsrockit]

Most hand-held shooters will be disappointed with the M10-R unless shooting in bright sunlight or with very high ISO. The M10-R will be a tri-pod only camera unless there is a reduced resolution mode.

No, this only matters if you are going to print at native size (100%), you are peeping up close, and you were sloppy ... if you are happy with a print size at 24mp, you can still print that same size with a high resolution sensor. There will be no difference. I’ve used 42mp sensors... it is not hard to make a sharp image. This is a myth. Also, another favorite myth is needing a super computer to process the files.

 

[Huss]

Mathematically speaking: wait for the M👎 where n goes to infinity 😀

At that point the Mxxx will be an autonomous drone, leave in the morning to take photos while you are at work, when you come back home you'll find it has taken a whole bunch of pics of cats and the back of people's heads at coffee shops.

 

[Doug]

No, this only matters if you are going to print at native size (100%), you are peeping up close, and you were sloppy ... if you are happy with a print size at 24mp, you can still print that same size with a high resolution sensor. There will be no difference. I’ve used 42mp sensors... it is not hard to make a sharp image. This is a myth. Also, another favorite myth is needing a super computer to process the files.

Completely agree on the myths. IBIS is a cool and useful feature; both my Leica Q and Pentax K-1 feature it, an advantage at lower shutter speeds. OTOH, my Leica S2 does not have IBIS and has 37.5 Mp resolution. With the usual care it makes sharp photos. Same with my medium format film Pentaxes. The S2's DNG files average about 45Mb each, same for the Pentax K-1, no problem to handle on my old 2014 iMac.

 

[Tim Gray]

No, this only matters if you are going to print at native size (100%), you are peeping up close, and you were sloppy ... if you are happy with a print size at 24mp, you can still print that same size with a high resolution sensor. There will be no difference. I’ve used 42mp sensors... it is not hard to make a sharp image. This is a myth. Also, another favorite myth is needing a super computer to process the files.

Ditto. What I was trying to say earlier.

 

[mnutzer]

Mathematically speaking: wait for the M👎 where n goes to infinity 😀

But never forget to calculate the percentages of lost fun on a current modern camera with expanded options within one's own remaining lifetime, which is mathematically a tiny bit compared to infinity.:angel:

 

[Rob-F]

Mathematically speaking: wait for the M👎 where n goes to infinity 😀

You don't think n might approach a limit?

 

[Michael Markey]

M10M screen looks the same - not flush.

I have no problem with 40+ MP on my Sony with slow shutter speeds. Granted IBIS helps a ton, but I’ve not had a real issue with the M10M either. Sure, there can be some blur in some shots with slow shutter speeds handheld, but how sharp were my shots on Tri-X at 1/15s? And that’s ignoring all the shots where I didn’t hold still enough. In my opinion, the ability to get sharp shots with these digital cameras is a non-issue. Take a burst of photos and choose the sharp one. Bump the ISO up a notch. Shoot like you always did and don’t worry about it. With the M10M, the sensor soldiers on even when I literally can’t focus with the RF patch.

I’ve also not had a real issue with focus accuracy of the RF. Well, yes I have, with 2 lenses. Leica 90/2 and a Konica 90/2.8. I did not have issues with them with film though I never shot with either of them much. The Leica 90 can be hard to see when it’s in focus wide open. The patch looks accurate, but there’s just enough wiggle room either way that I can be off a tiny bit. Live view helps, or maybe a magnifier. I wouldn’t be surprised if the low resolution of Tri-X masked this issue completely. The Konica is mega off and probably needs to be adjusted. However no real issues wide open with the 50/1.4 ASPH, ZM Sonnar, or even the 135/3.4.

You can always downsize images to 24 MP if you want.

Agreed ..... no problem with 40 +mp on my Sony or Merrill .
Forty plus is rapidly becoming the new 24 .

 

[Disappointed_Horse]

No, this only matters if you are going to print at native size (100%), you are peeping up close, and you were sloppy ... if you are happy with a print size at 24mp, you can still print that same size with a high resolution sensor. There will be no difference. I’ve used 42mp sensors... it is not hard to make a sharp image. This is a myth. Also, another favorite myth is needing a super computer to process the files.

The last point raises a question I've been thinking about recently as I am considering upgrading my computer (an old Macbook Air that struggles with 16MP files from my D7000). How much horsepower would I realistically need to handle 40+MP files? Or perhaps a better question in the context of this thread: do you need a more powerful computer to handle 40MP files than you need to handle 24MP files?

 

[jsrockit]

Or perhaps a better question in the context of this thread: do you need a more powerful computer to handle 40MP files than you need to handle 24MP files?

I'm using a 4 year old MacBook Pro with a 2.6Ghz i7 processor and 16gb of RAM. I use an external USB3 drive for all of my images. It handles both 24mp and 42mp files easily. I hope this helps.

 

[raid]

I got a regular M10.

 

[Disappointed_Horse]

I'm using a 4 year old MacBook Pro with a 2.6Ghz i7 processor and 16gb of RAM. I use an external USB3 drive for all of my images. It handles both 24mp and 42mp files easily. I hope this helps.

That helps a lot. Thanks!

 

[Disappointed_Horse]

I just took a look at dpreview's sample gallery. The processed RAW (actually DNG I guess) photos look great, but I was, to put it mildly, not impressed with the out of camera JPEGs. I'm sure practically everyone who buys this camera will shoot RAW/DNG, but you would think that for $8,000+ the camera should be able to output a decent looking JPEG.