Dunk
Established
I will have some photos of the S/N to post tomorrow ... contrary to previous opinion the S/N is in relief ie "raised" and not engraved ... I think the photos will prove that the Leica Anastigmat is ... a Leica Anastigmat
Cheers
dunk
Erik van Straten
Veteran
M4-I-Love
Established
You said you have this Leitz SBOOI 12015 attached? So meaning no Voigtlander finder will work? Also I see some SBOOI on ebay but with different numbers. What does the "12015" number mean?
tonyj
Established
Older Leicas, ..... repros or not
Older Leicas, ..... repros or not
Hey 'pizzahut88', great thread!
I have just acquired a 'Nullserie' or Model '0' Leica repro, all nicely ensconced in it's Maroon "Leica" emblazoned, silk lined presentation box, complete with a beautiful leather case, handbook and dvd etc.
It is a beautifully made copy of the prototype that Oskar Barnak was instrumental in developing, except it supposedly has an 'improved' anastigmatic lens.
Remember also that this camera is what it is . Merely an opportunity for those who may be interested, to taste a little of what photography was like eighty or ninety years ago. Leica have made available this reproduction of what was an early attempt to build a 35mm camera that could be eventually be mass produced and made available to many budding new photographers.
The technology we have today or even the many developments that arrived shortly after these '0' series cameras were built, does not enter into the equation. In addition much of the stuff we take for granted today was not even a pipe dream for those early camera buffs. So why go there? This is not about now.
This camera gives us a rare opportunity to experience what it must have been like to be a photographer in the twenties.
I know there are other older but improved cameras available which can make the experience less of an ordeal, but that seems to defeat the whole point of the excercise.
For the same reason some folks like to drive vintage cars or motorcycles, fly those early biplanes or soar in an hot air balloon, some of us like to try out and even own some of those early cameras, repro or not.
As a motorist/motorcyclist I really appreciate the latest models from Aston Martin, Porsche or Ferrari and love to ride the best that Ducati, Aprilia or MV can offer. Similarly as an amateur photographic enthusiast I enjoy my Nikon DSLRs.
However given the opportunity to drive a vintage car or motorcycle, I find the thrill to be just as intense, but for entirely different reasons.
The same applies to cameras. The only difference with cameras is that I can still afford to buy the occasional vintage camera, rather than drool as I watch the 'not in my lifetime' offerings of the Barrett-Jackson car auctions on TV.
By the way and slightly off subject 'Dunk', that is a very nice '1a' you have there- at least to my eyes.
The rest of us - or at least some of us - are merely envious.
Hopefully, once it warms up - and the snow clears - I will be able to give my latest acquisitions a road test. 'Till then I will practice loading film into these things, over and over, until it becomes second nature. I will also try to familiarize myself with the '0' series lens capping drill.
Good fun - I hope ...
Older Leicas, ..... repros or not
Hey 'pizzahut88', great thread!
I have just acquired a 'Nullserie' or Model '0' Leica repro, all nicely ensconced in it's Maroon "Leica" emblazoned, silk lined presentation box, complete with a beautiful leather case, handbook and dvd etc.
It is a beautifully made copy of the prototype that Oskar Barnak was instrumental in developing, except it supposedly has an 'improved' anastigmatic lens.
Remember also that this camera is what it is . Merely an opportunity for those who may be interested, to taste a little of what photography was like eighty or ninety years ago. Leica have made available this reproduction of what was an early attempt to build a 35mm camera that could be eventually be mass produced and made available to many budding new photographers.
The technology we have today or even the many developments that arrived shortly after these '0' series cameras were built, does not enter into the equation. In addition much of the stuff we take for granted today was not even a pipe dream for those early camera buffs. So why go there? This is not about now.
This camera gives us a rare opportunity to experience what it must have been like to be a photographer in the twenties.
I know there are other older but improved cameras available which can make the experience less of an ordeal, but that seems to defeat the whole point of the excercise.
For the same reason some folks like to drive vintage cars or motorcycles, fly those early biplanes or soar in an hot air balloon, some of us like to try out and even own some of those early cameras, repro or not.
As a motorist/motorcyclist I really appreciate the latest models from Aston Martin, Porsche or Ferrari and love to ride the best that Ducati, Aprilia or MV can offer. Similarly as an amateur photographic enthusiast I enjoy my Nikon DSLRs.
However given the opportunity to drive a vintage car or motorcycle, I find the thrill to be just as intense, but for entirely different reasons.
The same applies to cameras. The only difference with cameras is that I can still afford to buy the occasional vintage camera, rather than drool as I watch the 'not in my lifetime' offerings of the Barrett-Jackson car auctions on TV.
By the way and slightly off subject 'Dunk', that is a very nice '1a' you have there- at least to my eyes.
The rest of us - or at least some of us - are merely envious.
Hopefully, once it warms up - and the snow clears - I will be able to give my latest acquisitions a road test. 'Till then I will practice loading film into these things, over and over, until it becomes second nature. I will also try to familiarize myself with the '0' series lens capping drill.
Good fun - I hope ...
Erik van Straten
Veteran
By the way and slightly off subject 'Dunk', that is a very nice '1a' you have there- at least to my eyes.
The rest of us - or at least some of us - are merely envious.
This is an old thread. In the end Dunks camera turned out to be definetely a fake. The real 184 was found in Japan.
I look forward to the results of your Model 0!
Erik.
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FrozenInTime
Well-known
The accessory shoe on the Null series does not have the modern embellishment of spring washers to hold accessories in place once they are slid on.
Consequently other viewfinders may rattle around and easily slip off.
The SBOOI has very thin rails and they are folded up at the viewing end.
When in place the SBOOI rides up over the small dimple at the front of the accessory rail and wedges it's self in place.
I also cut a small tab of leather and slid it in place so the SBOOI cant be easily pushed off with normal handling in a pocket etc.
Donald.
tonyj
Established
Sorry I missed that one ....too bad Dunk
Sorry I missed that one ....too bad Dunk
Thanks for the info Erik. Too bad that Dunk's camera turned out to be a 'fake'. The one in Japan was proved to be real, I assume?
i am still relatively new to these forums and I really do enjoy reading of older cameras, especially Leicas and their use. (..... perhaps because I am old too??).
i missed the part where Dunk's camera was found to be what it was. Nevertheless, just as my Nullserie is not original, perhaps Dunk can continue to enjoy the anastigmat '1a' that he owns. I just hope that he wasn't scammed when he acquired it.
At least my type '0' is an official fake, and wasn't overly expensive.
Hopefully I will have some comparisons soon too - or at least some results to show in the next month or so, from my "1A" and my "0".
And guys, just keep on posting. This is really a fascinating area of photography. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'oneupmanship'. It just happens to be an area where we can still keep in touch with the history and development of something we seem to enjoy.
By the way Erik, where do you find all those neat photos of the earlier cameras? I know you must own a number of early Leicas from your other postings, but surely you must have access to an excellent source of photographic documentation as well?
Sorry I missed that one ....too bad Dunk
Thanks for the info Erik. Too bad that Dunk's camera turned out to be a 'fake'. The one in Japan was proved to be real, I assume?
i am still relatively new to these forums and I really do enjoy reading of older cameras, especially Leicas and their use. (..... perhaps because I am old too??).
i missed the part where Dunk's camera was found to be what it was. Nevertheless, just as my Nullserie is not original, perhaps Dunk can continue to enjoy the anastigmat '1a' that he owns. I just hope that he wasn't scammed when he acquired it.
At least my type '0' is an official fake, and wasn't overly expensive.
Hopefully I will have some comparisons soon too - or at least some results to show in the next month or so, from my "1A" and my "0".
And guys, just keep on posting. This is really a fascinating area of photography. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'oneupmanship'. It just happens to be an area where we can still keep in touch with the history and development of something we seem to enjoy.
By the way Erik, where do you find all those neat photos of the earlier cameras? I know you must own a number of early Leicas from your other postings, but surely you must have access to an excellent source of photographic documentation as well?
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M4-I-Love
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Thank you for the reply.
Ok. I search a bit om Ebay. The SBOOI 12015, the number 12015 refers to the catalog number correct? The confusing part is that some of the SBOOI listed on ebay has another set of numbers which turned out to be stock numbers, probably for the shop to keep track of their inventory. Link below:
http://cgi.ebay.com/LEITZ-FINDER-50...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20aee0d259
I just want to confirm that there are not several SBOOI with different dimensions and buying the wrong one will not work with the O.
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
Impressive, Erik...
I don't know you or Dunk, but what an eye you have, man!
I didn't know that buying one of those required so much more than money...
Cheers,
Juan
I don't know you or Dunk, but what an eye you have, man!
I didn't know that buying one of those required so much more than money...
Cheers,
Juan
FrozenInTime
Well-known
It looks like the right thing.
Ffordes have a couple for less than that if you want to avoid ebay
https://secure.ffordes.com/Shop/Store/StockList.asp?Type=secd&Sub=1&code=LC&subcode=SA
Ffordes have a couple for less than that if you want to avoid ebay
https://secure.ffordes.com/Shop/Store/StockList.asp?Type=secd&Sub=1&code=LC&subcode=SA
tonyj
Established
A little confusion?
A little confusion?
After reading this thread again to see if I missed something, I noticed a small but critical error in a statement on Erik's part.
Another similar quote by Erik, possibly before a later revision (?) ......
[/QUOTE] Originally Posted by Erik van Straten
This is an old thread. In the end Dunks camera turned out to be definetely a fake. The real 174 was found in Japan.
Erik.[/QUOTE]
Hey Erik, not wishing to be an ass here. I am just very curious as to how the issue of the validity of the 174/184 camera was resolved. As I am unable to find any explanation of how this intriguing little mystery ended, can either you or Dunk please shed some light on this for a latecomer? It seems I have missed some key information just as I thought we were reaching a climax.
It is my feeling that there may be something that we can all learn from this.
By the way Dunk, your photo essay on how to cock the shutter on the '0' series is really excellent. Much easier to follow than the 'how to' description in the Leica instruction handbook that came with the camera.
Thank you.
A little confusion?
After reading this thread again to see if I missed something, I noticed a small but critical error in a statement on Erik's part.
Another similar quote by Erik, possibly before a later revision (?) ......
[/QUOTE] Originally Posted by Erik van Straten
This is an old thread. In the end Dunks camera turned out to be definetely a fake. The real 174 was found in Japan.
Erik.[/QUOTE]
Hey Erik, not wishing to be an ass here. I am just very curious as to how the issue of the validity of the 174/184 camera was resolved. As I am unable to find any explanation of how this intriguing little mystery ended, can either you or Dunk please shed some light on this for a latecomer? It seems I have missed some key information just as I thought we were reaching a climax.
It is my feeling that there may be something that we can all learn from this.
By the way Dunk, your photo essay on how to cock the shutter on the '0' series is really excellent. Much easier to follow than the 'how to' description in the Leica instruction handbook that came with the camera.
Thank you.
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Erik van Straten
Veteran
Hi tonyj,
As it was about Dunks camera, for reasons of discretion, the story must be told by him. All I can say that I was right from the start.
My memory failed on the number. I thougt it was 174, afterwards I checked it and it turned out to be 184.
Over the years, I've collected images of interesting Leicas. I've found many in the beautiful Westlicht Auction archives.
Regards,
Erik.
As it was about Dunks camera, for reasons of discretion, the story must be told by him. All I can say that I was right from the start.
My memory failed on the number. I thougt it was 174, afterwards I checked it and it turned out to be 184.
Over the years, I've collected images of interesting Leicas. I've found many in the beautiful Westlicht Auction archives.
Regards,
Erik.
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Flat Twin
Film Shooter
I have just read this thread with great interest! What should one expect to pay for a new or near new example of either of the 0 series replicas today?
Just out of interest!
Just out of interest!
chris7521
Well-known
I have seen the replicas for $800-1200. Wasn't really looking but, I believe that is about right.
Flat Twin
Film Shooter
Shot with the 0 series...
Shot with the 0 series...
I first read this thread back in the summer and found it fascinating. I didn't really know much about the 0 series except having heard about the camera but never paid it any attention. Its a very strange phenomenon but when you start researching a new camera or lens its amazing how one seems to just turn up under your nose! This happened when a new 0 series became available and I just bought it.
The camera is everything that is documented in this thread. Its well made and completely traditional, idiosyncratic but a joy to use. It makes you stop and think. Yes you can fog the film if you don't cap the lens, (done that) yes once the shutter is wound you can't alter the speed (done that too...) but once you work out your routine for using the camera it becomes second nature and the fun begins...
I thought that this thread was lacking pictures made using the camera. Here are just two, I'll post more when I get a minute...
Shot with the 0 series...
I first read this thread back in the summer and found it fascinating. I didn't really know much about the 0 series except having heard about the camera but never paid it any attention. Its a very strange phenomenon but when you start researching a new camera or lens its amazing how one seems to just turn up under your nose! This happened when a new 0 series became available and I just bought it.
The camera is everything that is documented in this thread. Its well made and completely traditional, idiosyncratic but a joy to use. It makes you stop and think. Yes you can fog the film if you don't cap the lens, (done that) yes once the shutter is wound you can't alter the speed (done that too...) but once you work out your routine for using the camera it becomes second nature and the fun begins...
I thought that this thread was lacking pictures made using the camera. Here are just two, I'll post more when I get a minute...
chris7521
Well-known
Nice photos. Glad you're having fun with the camera!
tonyj
Established
Hey 'Flat Twin' - BMW hopefully - many thanks for posting some photos taken with your Leica Series 0 camera.
All I can say is 'WOW'!.
Those are much better than I ever expected from the camera. Totally amazing in fact.
Sadly, and for a thousand reasons, I never actually ran an unexposed film through my 0 series , in spite of my plans. Lots of practice - but no live ammunition I'm afraid.
Seeing your results has given me a real thrill and more than a mild kick in the seat of my pants. Perhaps this year I will stay 'focussed' and use my older Leicas as I originally planned to do, i.e. use'em for what they were intended.
Thanks for sharing!!!
All I can say is 'WOW'!.
Those are much better than I ever expected from the camera. Totally amazing in fact.
Sadly, and for a thousand reasons, I never actually ran an unexposed film through my 0 series , in spite of my plans. Lots of practice - but no live ammunition I'm afraid.
Seeing your results has given me a real thrill and more than a mild kick in the seat of my pants. Perhaps this year I will stay 'focussed' and use my older Leicas as I originally planned to do, i.e. use'em for what they were intended.
Thanks for sharing!!!
Flat Twin
Film Shooter
Tony,
Yes it definitely has to be a BMW flat twin!
Glad that the pictures reminded you of how much fun a vintage Leica can be. I have been on the road for work for the past two months so no developing so far but the 0 series has travelled with me and I'll post some more shots soon.
I still love the camera for its simplicity and its fantastic lens!
Anyone else have any pictures to share?!
Simon
Yes it definitely has to be a BMW flat twin!
Glad that the pictures reminded you of how much fun a vintage Leica can be. I have been on the road for work for the past two months so no developing so far but the 0 series has travelled with me and I'll post some more shots soon.
I still love the camera for its simplicity and its fantastic lens!
Anyone else have any pictures to share?!
Simon
Beautiful...
Flat Twin
Film Shooter
More from the 0 Series...
More from the 0 Series...
All taken December 2010 in Manchester, Cardiff & Brighton U.K. Agfa APX100 Rodinal 1:50...
More to follow...!
More from the 0 Series...
All taken December 2010 in Manchester, Cardiff & Brighton U.K. Agfa APX100 Rodinal 1:50...
More to follow...!
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