randolph45
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Leica 50mmf2 cla $800 nice to be rich
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dogberryjr
[Pithy phrase]
I'm not certain what impact an RFF embargo might have; I suspect we are minor players in the big scheme. I have a de facto embargo happening anyway, it's called low bank balance.
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There has to be a supply shortage of some material...because it isn't only leica or zeiss that has been affected.
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
People keep forgetting that Leica, as a company, is not the size of Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Fuji etc. etc. etc. - I do not know for a fact but I can guess (as many are here already) that they're having a tough enough time keeping up demand for M9's and M9-P's plus any film cameras that they're making (M7 & MP a la cartes as well as "regular" bodies).
So, with that in mind, any used lenses out there that go up for sale now command a premium... combine that with Leica's "usual" price increase on their new lenses and the used lenses now go up in price... not an easy pill to swallow but that's what you get for dealing with the red dot
Cheers,
Dave
So, with that in mind, any used lenses out there that go up for sale now command a premium... combine that with Leica's "usual" price increase on their new lenses and the used lenses now go up in price... not an easy pill to swallow but that's what you get for dealing with the red dot
Cheers,
Dave
smt
Newbie
Thanks. Very interesting, informative, and helpful thread!
I had considered selling an M2 in 2007 and didn't bother after seeing the prices. Today I checked ebay and was shocked to see how much higher the prices are.
I have 2 M2's (with self timer) and an M6. Both M-2's have the quick load spool and rapid rewind crank. Don't need both M2's.
Lenses - I only use the 35 mm /f2 summicron. Never use the 50/f2 summicron and after reading this thread decided I should sell that too. I have the 90/f2.8 elmarit which I'll probably keep.
Wondering, though, how much higher the prices will go if I hold on to it for another 4 years since it'll be even more scarce then but don't think it makes sense.
So - now all I have to do is take some pix and decide where to list it. Thanks again for everyone's insights.
I had considered selling an M2 in 2007 and didn't bother after seeing the prices. Today I checked ebay and was shocked to see how much higher the prices are.
I have 2 M2's (with self timer) and an M6. Both M-2's have the quick load spool and rapid rewind crank. Don't need both M2's.
Lenses - I only use the 35 mm /f2 summicron. Never use the 50/f2 summicron and after reading this thread decided I should sell that too. I have the 90/f2.8 elmarit which I'll probably keep.
Wondering, though, how much higher the prices will go if I hold on to it for another 4 years since it'll be even more scarce then but don't think it makes sense.
So - now all I have to do is take some pix and decide where to list it. Thanks again for everyone's insights.
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Brian Legge
Veteran
Hah, yeah, I wish I'd gotten into rangefinders a few years earlier. I missed the crazy deal time period. It isn't that M prices today are unfair as much as they are just high end for me.
I was thinking about making the jump from screwmounts but can't justify it to myself given the price difference. I did see a M2 on ebay for ~$570 a few days ago. Maybe if I purge a bunch of stuff I'll be more comfortable spending that much on a camera some time. haha
I was thinking about making the jump from screwmounts but can't justify it to myself given the price difference. I did see a M2 on ebay for ~$570 a few days ago. Maybe if I purge a bunch of stuff I'll be more comfortable spending that much on a camera some time. haha
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David Murphy
Veteran
I've always suspected that the rising fees at eBay are part of the problem. Sellers can now expect to pay eBay+PayPal about 10-15% of the final sales price (including shipping price) as their fee.
This has had three consequences:
1) These fees are now passed on to buyers as a 10-15% price increase
2) The fee increases have led many small sellers of collectibles to avoid selling on eBay, leading to fewer better quality items being sought by just as many buyers as before, creating upward price pressure
3) eBay is used as a major benchmark for the pricing of used camera equipment (they are the dominant used market place now) and the rest of the market follows.
The other factors such as increasing hobbyist demand, reduced supply, inflation, declining dollar, affluent buyers from Asia, fewer traditional camera dealers, the ability of many digital cameras to use legacy glass, etc. no doubt contribute to the upward price trend.
This has had three consequences:
1) These fees are now passed on to buyers as a 10-15% price increase
2) The fee increases have led many small sellers of collectibles to avoid selling on eBay, leading to fewer better quality items being sought by just as many buyers as before, creating upward price pressure
3) eBay is used as a major benchmark for the pricing of used camera equipment (they are the dominant used market place now) and the rest of the market follows.
The other factors such as increasing hobbyist demand, reduced supply, inflation, declining dollar, affluent buyers from Asia, fewer traditional camera dealers, the ability of many digital cameras to use legacy glass, etc. no doubt contribute to the upward price trend.
Brian Legge
Veteran
I totally agree with your assessment David. I've assumed inflation in the US and growing economies around the world were the biggest factors.
smt
Newbie
I just compared prices of M2's and M lenses on camera store website - KEH (via Amazon) B&H, and Adorama - with ebay and ebay prices seem to be less.
fotomeow
name under my name
"Well son, I was gonna give you a savings bond for your graduation, but I've decided to give you a 1940s Leica lens. I know you dont have a camera to use it on, but just put that in your savings deposit box, wait 20 years, and sell it to add to your retirement account"
nikon_sam
Shooter of Film...
I've noticed the lenses I've been watching have gone up a bit lately...
The Mamiya m645 80mm 1.9 has been selling for some crazy prices...yesterday one sold for $360 and that was a BIN auction... others have sold in the same ballpark...I bought a Mamiya m645 1000s w/PDS prism and 80mm 1.9 for $300 about 5 years ago...
Other Mamiya's (55, 80 2.8, 110, 150 & 210) have gone up too but not like the 80mm 1.9 or the 35mm 3.5...
The Takumar 50mm 1.4 is in the $120 range now (just for the lens)
The Olympus Pens are getting pricey too...
These are just a few that I watch...I don't watch for Leica lenses...
The Mamiya m645 80mm 1.9 has been selling for some crazy prices...yesterday one sold for $360 and that was a BIN auction... others have sold in the same ballpark...I bought a Mamiya m645 1000s w/PDS prism and 80mm 1.9 for $300 about 5 years ago...
Other Mamiya's (55, 80 2.8, 110, 150 & 210) have gone up too but not like the 80mm 1.9 or the 35mm 3.5...
The Takumar 50mm 1.4 is in the $120 range now (just for the lens)
The Olympus Pens are getting pricey too...
These are just a few that I watch...I don't watch for Leica lenses...
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sbelyaev
Member
Everything is getting more expensive. Gas, milk, tobacco, cars, bread, soda...
Around the time when digital technology was immature and film was going out there was some hesitancy regarding the future of GOOD rangefinder lenses. As the result the prices were RELATIVELY low.
With introduction of M8, M9 and mirror-less cameras many started to realize that the properly designed lenses could last for more than lifetime of current buyers and sellers. The lenses could be used with film and multiple current and future digital bodies. The price of the lens is relatively irrelevant, if one plans on owing it for several decades.
Leica is a niche company. It will make sure that the demand is high by providing a limited number of brand new lenses.
This is what other high-end companies do....
Try to order a birkin bag from hermes..
Around the time when digital technology was immature and film was going out there was some hesitancy regarding the future of GOOD rangefinder lenses. As the result the prices were RELATIVELY low.
With introduction of M8, M9 and mirror-less cameras many started to realize that the properly designed lenses could last for more than lifetime of current buyers and sellers. The lenses could be used with film and multiple current and future digital bodies. The price of the lens is relatively irrelevant, if one plans on owing it for several decades.
Leica is a niche company. It will make sure that the demand is high by providing a limited number of brand new lenses.
This is what other high-end companies do....
Try to order a birkin bag from hermes..
johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
All this thread does is convince me not to sell any surplus lenses any more, since I'll be losing money if I ever decide that the sale was a mistake and I want to buy them again!
dogberryjr
[Pithy phrase]
What's a "surplus lens?" Is that like "excess beer," "extra money" or "leftover pizza?"
andredossantos
Well-known
Even though prices are going crazy, there are still deals to be found. You have to be patient and act fast. I recently got a pristine 50mm Cron at a great price. Waited months to find it though.
jay_kay
Member
Was recently looking for a thin tele-elmarit, after a lot of patience I manage to buy one for $650 and considered it a bargain!
shaunmlavery
Member
Ha, I did just that, only for me. With the prices rising and rising, I stumbled upon a black chrome M4 that I can use as a backup to my M8's. I looked at it as a nice tangible investment that I can enjoy.
As far as the crazy lens prices, yeah!, I have felt that as well. I recently sold/traded my 35 summicron asph fora noctilux. At the time, I hated myself for giving up my small perfect 35. However, with glass prices climbing and climbing, this has been a smart move. Looking back, I purchased my M6 and 35 Cron asph for nearly the price sold my M6 for a few months back! Insane!
People always have the notion that shooting a leica is expensive or driving a certain car is only for the rich. This is so far from the truth. I get sick of those stereotypes.
nikon_sam
Shooter of Film...
That's key to getting what you want...
Plus you need to have a game plan and you need to stick with it...do your homework first, know what you want, research it, find the exact version, black or chrome, coated or uncoated, what range in serial numbers and then sit and wait for it...when you find it, make it yours...
Bill58
Native Texan
The market here is weird. I had trouble selling a perfect Summitar a short while back, then I had 6 really quick offers for an also perfect Summar just last weekend. I probably could have gotten more for the latter.
bobby_novatron
Photon Collector
I think David Murphy hit it on the head with his post -- there are numerous murky and anecdotal forces at work here. I have noticed the price rises as well, and I only got into developing a rangefinder collection about 2 years ago.
In that short time, I have noticed that the m-mount lenses I purchased 18 months ago in the secondary market have now risen about 40% in value.
I'd agree that reasonable deals can still be found, but you have to be patient.
It would be interesting to know what our sisters and brothers in the SLR world have been experiencing. Have Canon / Nikon / Sigma lenses risen the same amount in the secondary market?
I did notice in a recent Google search that a Contax 645 with Zeiss 80/2 standard lens recently sold for $1900 in a buy-it-now situation. That's about $400 higher than early 2010. Strange, indeed.
In that short time, I have noticed that the m-mount lenses I purchased 18 months ago in the secondary market have now risen about 40% in value.
I'd agree that reasonable deals can still be found, but you have to be patient.
It would be interesting to know what our sisters and brothers in the SLR world have been experiencing. Have Canon / Nikon / Sigma lenses risen the same amount in the secondary market?
I did notice in a recent Google search that a Contax 645 with Zeiss 80/2 standard lens recently sold for $1900 in a buy-it-now situation. That's about $400 higher than early 2010. Strange, indeed.