Gazzah
RF newbie
Just a tool
Just a tool
To me my DSLRs are just tools - they get the job done, but if Im out to enjoy myself I will use one of my film cams - The act of taking the image is as imortant as the image itself... whereas with the DSLRs it is only the final result that matters..
Zen and the art of image making..
Gary H
Just a tool
To me my DSLRs are just tools - they get the job done, but if Im out to enjoy myself I will use one of my film cams - The act of taking the image is as imortant as the image itself... whereas with the DSLRs it is only the final result that matters..
Zen and the art of image making..
Gary H
jbielikowski
Jan Bielikowski
DSLRs are bad, SLRs are bad, RFs are bad. prey the TLRs.
what's the point?
what's the point?
Stravinsky
Leitz Fellowship
Amen to that, so true!
nobbylon
Veteran
No other button to press Roger, just the shutter release, half way locks the focus point and tracks the subject around the frame! I think it's amazing.
It matters not what we use, I agree, however this kind of automation allows me to concentrate on composition rather than missing the shot because i'm fiddling with focus. My success rate with moving subjects using this is 100%,
regards john
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Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I don't have a dog!
I had one for a while but I couldn't get it to meow so I got rid of it.
I hate dogs now because of that experience!
Tompas
Wannabe Künstler
When I need to take lots of shots, I take lots of film.
Phantomas
Well-known
This thread is funny. Some people act so stubborn 
Carry on.
Carry on.
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Haigh
Gary Haigh
I go to Italy this year and will have a consumer level dslr and two plastic zooms and digi p&s. I'll use my Contax G1 for very low light blurry b&w prints. I love using all these cameras but of course only one at a time when I'm out walking.
Pickett Wilson
Veteran
Use the tool that fits the situation. I recently added a Canon 1D Mk IV to the 5D II's and it was like the heavens had opened up. Badly lighted high school football field, ISO 12,500. 10 frames per second. AI servo. No matter what the action, everything in focus and sharp.
I love my Leicas, but man the latest DSLR's are scary good.
I love my Leicas, but man the latest DSLR's are scary good.
David Hughes
David Hughes
I use film and digital and have no complaints about either. They are just machines to take pictures with and - obviously - some are more suitable for different subjects.
Mostly I like the convenience of digital, once the thing has been set up and does what I want. But I have to make a note of how I set it up because every now and then the things decide to change things for me, whether I want it to or not. And you can pick up a digital for a grab shot and touch a button by mistake and then have to spend ages finding out what the weird icon that's appeared means and how to revert to normal.
The discipline for film, is important imo and having to think before taking improves things no end. And the simplicity of the cameras means things can be done very quickly with total control. And for those that want it there's a lot of film cameras that behave just like digitals. Look at the Olympus µ-II f'instanc of the Pentax MZ-50 (an SLR). Both could be used by a non-photographer with few problems. And both belong to that period when photographers designed cameras...
And ain't film cameras cheap? Just look at all those little P&S's that you can pick up for pennies these days with those superb lenses, cheap batteries or even none and flash guns for pennies too.
A good, usable film line up would be something like a Minolta SLR, FED 2 with an old Weston meter and an Olympus XA2 or XA3 and you could cover a lot. Now compare the cost of that collection with the cost of a spare battery for a dSLR...
Even a second-hand Leica R8 with a mid range zoom and the XA2 would be a lot cheaper than digital these days. And look at how many miles of film I could buy for the cost of a Leica M9 body for the old M2's lenses.
Just my 2d worth.
Regards, David
Mostly I like the convenience of digital, once the thing has been set up and does what I want. But I have to make a note of how I set it up because every now and then the things decide to change things for me, whether I want it to or not. And you can pick up a digital for a grab shot and touch a button by mistake and then have to spend ages finding out what the weird icon that's appeared means and how to revert to normal.
The discipline for film, is important imo and having to think before taking improves things no end. And the simplicity of the cameras means things can be done very quickly with total control. And for those that want it there's a lot of film cameras that behave just like digitals. Look at the Olympus µ-II f'instanc of the Pentax MZ-50 (an SLR). Both could be used by a non-photographer with few problems. And both belong to that period when photographers designed cameras...
And ain't film cameras cheap? Just look at all those little P&S's that you can pick up for pennies these days with those superb lenses, cheap batteries or even none and flash guns for pennies too.
A good, usable film line up would be something like a Minolta SLR, FED 2 with an old Weston meter and an Olympus XA2 or XA3 and you could cover a lot. Now compare the cost of that collection with the cost of a spare battery for a dSLR...
Even a second-hand Leica R8 with a mid range zoom and the XA2 would be a lot cheaper than digital these days. And look at how many miles of film I could buy for the cost of a Leica M9 body for the old M2's lenses.
Just my 2d worth.
Regards, David
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parsec1
parsec1
Good afternoon Roger,
Try nearly every sport with perhaps the exception of snooker.
Regards
Peter D
parsec1
parsec1
Sorry, meant to add and perhaps alluding to one of your previous posts , couldn't work and live without the Nikons as much as I love My M's also.
robert blu
quiet photographer
Interesting thread. What surprise me (fot your knowledge I have no (t yet) a digital camera) is that the friends in my fotoclub with high quality DSLR usually shoot 10 times what I usually shoot to cover the same event. In one afternoon event I can shoot 2, max 4 rolls when they shoot 400-500 times. And this to produce maybe 20 pictures, which are enough to illustrate the event. Of course I accept this, each one has it's own way to work, but if the tecnology of this kind of cameras is so high why it is necessary to shoot so much? I'm just curious to understand it, regards
robert
robert
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Peter,
I'm still not sure about need. After all, most of the best boxing pics I've seen were shot with 4x5 or 9x12 and there were plenty of stunning football pictures in the days of 35mm. Robert has made much the same point.
Cheers,
R.
parsec1
parsec1
Dear Roger,
Yes I think a slight misunderstanding. I shot premier and 1st division soccer for the Sunday Express (and others ) before dig. Two F2 as's MDs and 300 2.8 and 180 2.8 and an 85 on a FM2 with a 35 mm very near by. The motors were really used to wind the cameras on quickly to be ready for the next shot, not to 'machine gun' in the hope of getting a good picture. Powered rewinds were a 'godsend'
I would shoot maybe 4/5 35mm films.(Any more and you might get 'strung up' by the darkroom techs ) .
Now with a laptop and wireless LAN dSLRs are essential ,autofocus is a must and images can be deleted so easily before developing and printing.
I have never seen a Leica M at a football match, Rugby,Cricket or motorsport et al.
Ok there were a couple of guys wandering around Monaco with M's around their necks but..................
Regards
Peter
Yes I think a slight misunderstanding. I shot premier and 1st division soccer for the Sunday Express (and others ) before dig. Two F2 as's MDs and 300 2.8 and 180 2.8 and an 85 on a FM2 with a 35 mm very near by. The motors were really used to wind the cameras on quickly to be ready for the next shot, not to 'machine gun' in the hope of getting a good picture. Powered rewinds were a 'godsend'
I would shoot maybe 4/5 35mm films.(Any more and you might get 'strung up' by the darkroom techs ) .
Now with a laptop and wireless LAN dSLRs are essential ,autofocus is a must and images can be deleted so easily before developing and printing.
I have never seen a Leica M at a football match, Rugby,Cricket or motorsport et al.
Ok there were a couple of guys wandering around Monaco with M's around their necks but..................
Regards
Peter
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emraphoto
Veteran
this has nothing to do with the camera really.
i am also curious as to why shooting a lot of frames is met with such derision? the idea that the greats shot 3 frames and left the party because they were just that good is a myth. i once read an article where Salgado was talking about his move to digital and essentially it was due to resources needed to shoot so much film. he mentioned the amount of film he blows on a particular subject (can't recall the amount and too lazy to look it up) and it was staggering. i have spoken with the folks responsible for developing the rolls shot by some of the icons of our age and the amount of film is mind boggling. when shooting a project on film i can burn 100 rolls plus a month and this was nothing compared to what these folks burn.
it is often tossed about like a badge of merit and frankly i don't really understand it. i have learnt, from some of the greats, that the magic combo is shoot a lot and be ruthless with your editing.
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emraphoto
Veteran
for giggles watch war photographer again and see how many frames James blows.
parsec1
parsec1
Blue skies,white fluffy clouds..just going down to the coast with an M 28mm a 75 b/w film and a yellow filter.
Catch you later
Peter D
Catch you later
Peter D
dexdog
Veteran
I love my RFs, and plan to go early tomorrow to the National Mall with a Canon P for Memorial Day (to those outside USA, this is a day to honor those who served in wars, from the American Revolution to the present day).
Anyway, I love my Canon 40D too because it can do things that rangefinders can't do.
Okavango Delta, Botswana, 100-300 Sigma zoom
BTW, the TIFFs are awesome, and look a lot better than these downsized JPEGs
Anyway, I love my Canon 40D too because it can do things that rangefinders can't do.
Okavango Delta, Botswana, 100-300 Sigma zoom
BTW, the TIFFs are awesome, and look a lot better than these downsized JPEGs
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NickTrop
Veteran
Now that they've shrunk them, the price has come down, they're getting better in low light (excellent, in fact...) they're making affordable primes - yeah. I'm liking the Nikon D5000 + Nikkor 35mm F1.8 - a lot. Never thought I'd see the day when I'd say that, but... you know... Let he who has never eaten a little crow in their life cast the first stone...