mobilexile
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I'd argue that plugins exist not because the apps are complex but rather:
a. Some users are too lazy to learn the power and features of the app
b. Professional users want the convenience and efficiency brought on by plugins
Lightroom 4.1 update released with X-Pro 1 support
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I'd argue that plugins exist not because the apps are complex but rather:
a. Some users are too lazy to learn the power and features of the app
b. Professional users want the convenience and efficiency brought on by plugins
willie_901
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Being lazy is entirely different than being smart.
How much of my life must I spend to become expert with PS's torturous user environment?
Why do you think Adobe markets Lightroom? Because Aperture scared them to death. If PS was easy to learn, Adobe could have ignored Aperture.
How much of my life must I spend to become expert with PS's torturous user environment?
Why do you think Adobe markets Lightroom? Because Aperture scared them to death. If PS was easy to learn, Adobe could have ignored Aperture.
mobilexile
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willie_901 said:
Perhaps lazy was not the right word. That said Photoshop was and is a tool created for professional use. Adobe is thrilled to sell copies to anyone but dumbing it down for the masses would be a mistake. They've thankfully never ventured down that path. Instead they created Pshop Elements.
Lightroom and Photoshop are very different tools serving different needs. Photoshop was never and never will be for processing images. That need didn't even exist for the first 10+ years it was in the marketplace.
Thank you for the torturous environment comment re: Pshop. It made for a good laugh. I fully understand why you say that. Bit know that once you pickup on a few key concepts it becomes much easier to understand. If you really want to harness the power within you might consider a Lynda.com account. They have great tutorials that will have you up and running in no time.
willie_901
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Thanks for your positive response.
One advantage of PS is a diverse set of training materials are available.
Adobe's new cloud subscription service also make PS more attractive.
One advantage of PS is a diverse set of training materials are available.
Adobe's new cloud subscription service also make PS more attractive.
mobilexile
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Another great option is the NAPP (National Association of Photoshop Professionals). Their community forum is a wealth of info & the users are very helpful if you post questions. Joining isn't free but they offer several member deals that offset the cost. For example, last year I bought a new Mac w their coupon code and it saved me twice the cost of NAPP membership dues. Adobe also gives attractive discounts to members.
Jim-st
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Nearly three months on, this topic seems to have lapsed rather, and I'm wondering what people's experience of processing X_Pro1 raw files in LR4.1 is now
Are people generally happy with results? What about chroma-smearing, sharpness issues etc?
I'm looking to upgrade from my M8 very soon, and swithering between M9 and X-Pro1.
Or maybe I should wait for the X-Pro2 and see if Fuji might learn to cooperate with Thomas Knoll and co pre-release...
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Are people generally happy with results? What about chroma-smearing, sharpness issues etc?
I'm looking to upgrade from my M8 very soon, and swithering between M9 and X-Pro1.
Or maybe I should wait for the X-Pro2 and see if Fuji might learn to cooperate with Thomas Knoll and co pre-release...
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venchka
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Bike Tourist,
Please clarify why you don't think Lightroom would benefit you? It is a very robust RAW/TIFF/JPEG editor. The fact that it is non-destuctive is HUGE in terms of trying various editing schemes on a file. Including B&W conversion.
Click on my L.U.G. Gallery link in my signature. With the exception of a very few digital B&W conversions done in PS4 with some canned Actions I bought, everything has been processed with Lightroom 1 & 3, LR/Enfuse plug-in and Microsoft ICE stitching software. Even the B&W conversions went from Lightroom to CS4 and back to Lightroom. I tend to skip even numbered upgrades since a couple of Autodesk disasters way back when.
Wayne
willie_901
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I have seen at least one image from my XP1 where the Adobe Camera Raw has caused artifacts that would be obvious in a small print. I observed edge color artifacts on vertcal lines that were not due to chromatic abberation. I suspect if I pixel peeped and did a critical analysis I would find issues with others similar to those widely reported late last spring. I guess I really don't care how leaves look at extreme magnification.
At the same time I have a habit of being over-critical during post-processing, so for my subjects Adobe Camera Raw can't be that bad.
At the same time I have a habit of being over-critical during post-processing, so for my subjects Adobe Camera Raw can't be that bad.
Jim-st
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Thanks willie, that's interesting to hear. And I wonder if the "color artifacts on vertcal lines that were not due to chromatic abberation" that you mention might be amenable to treatment in the new Lens Coorections/ Color panel in LR4.1's Develop module? Did you (or anyone else here) try that?
All the gloom today over the servicable lifespan of the digital M's makes me the more interested in the X-Pro, where the trade-off is form factor versus viewfinder position imo
Would like to hear more on the PP/LR experiences of RFF'ers here...
All the gloom today over the servicable lifespan of the digital M's makes me the more interested in the X-Pro, where the trade-off is form factor versus viewfinder position imo
Would like to hear more on the PP/LR experiences of RFF'ers here...
willie_901
Veteran
Jim,
The reason I speculated the vertical line problem was not C.A. was because the LR Color Panel module could not handle them. In fact, this was the only time the LR 4 Color Panel has not quickly cleaned up the 18/2 XF lens' CA. The 35/1.4 has never shown CA.
The worst vertical line in a sign the was in the distant background and bordered a high contrast (bu not over exposed) area. None were in the foreground.
The reason I speculated the vertical line problem was not C.A. was because the LR Color Panel module could not handle them. In fact, this was the only time the LR 4 Color Panel has not quickly cleaned up the 18/2 XF lens' CA. The 35/1.4 has never shown CA.
The worst vertical line in a sign the was in the distant background and bordered a high contrast (bu not over exposed) area. None were in the foreground.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Hopefully Aperture is not far behind.
Jim-st
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Thanks again, willie - and I now realise it was your earlier post that led me to Eric Chan's paper on the Color Panel, so thanks for that too!
I'm still dithering over this, but I've had a good look around here, Flickr, etc and conclude that maybe I will wait for X-Pro2 and LR5 to see if Fuji and Adobe can sort the thing finally.
Anyway, I'm off to Rome in a couple of days, and I'll stick with the M8 for that trip at least, and get round to upgrading when I get home, maybe...
Jim
willie_901
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Enjoy Rome!
