Lightroom 6

[wakarimasen]

A perhaps daft question: does anyone use Canons' DPP in preference to Lightroom?

 

[Kate-the-Great]

I'm torn trying to decide whether to upgrade now or wait. On one hand, I'm itching to take advantage of the built-in DNG blending & stitching and especially the GPU acceleration (I have a R9 290X, so I'm expecting non-trivial performance improvements)- but I'm hesitant to jump in before v6.1 is released. I've been using LR since v1.2 and the only "x.0" release I've tried was 4.0 which I immediately regretted as it was pretty unstable for me until 4.2 :/

I know it's early, but has anyone experienced/heard of show-stopping bugs in 6.0 that should make me want to stay on 5.7 for now?


Edit to say- is there a chance to make a separate thread for the "Subscription vs. One-Time" debate? I think I speak for many users when I say it would be nice to keep this thread available for technical questions and feature/usage discussion...

 

[brbo]

1. I have no idea why you are reacting so angrily in this thread?

2. You have absolutely no idea what your CC subscription will cost you over the next ten years.

1. I have no idea where/how you came to that impression.

2. And I have an idea what it costs now. Even if they double the price today, I'm still better off for the next 5 years vs. paid Photoshop + Lightroom. I'll switch to alternatives if needed. I've done it before. It's just that at the moment this is the best I can get for the money I'm prepared to pay.

 

[bobbyrab]

2. You have absolutely no idea what your CC subscription will cost you over the next ten years.[/QUOTE]

This is true, Adobe may ramp up the cost, or like Google did with the Nic filters, asking a more reasonable sum may actually increase revenue. I've been amazed by how many people I know where using hacked copies of PS, not because they wanted to avoid paying, they just couldn't stump up the asking price, I imagine a lot of people are happier being legit and paying a sensible mothly fee.

 

[Jim-st]

An Adobe product upgrade launch day is always a fun day on the internet.

My all time fav was on the old Adobe Photoshop Mac forum back about '06: "I installed Photoshop CS3 this morning and now my car won't start!"

😀

 

[lawrence]

I've been amazed by how many people I know where using hacked copies of PS, not because they wanted to avoid paying, they just couldn't stump up the asking price, I imagine a lot of people are happier being legit and paying a sensible mothly fee.

True but this applies to PS and not to LR. I paid under 50 GBP for the upgrade to LR6 and I doubt that a subscription-only model would be less than this annually.

 

[mani]

One of the reasons there aren’t many discussions about the new features is… they’re not really so interesting.

So far I notice the app is faster rendering images (only sat about a half hour with it last night) and I haven’t noticed any instability or crashing, but otherwise everything seems pretty much the same for my use.

I’m disappointed that the Book module hasn’t been changed (apart from a tiny adjustment to the way meta-data is stored with pages). I was hoping for a lot more of Blurb’s formats to be supported now - especially magazines.

One other thing which is typical Adobe is the way the application defaults to send them usage data which is coupled to your AdobeID. Other companies almost always anonymize such information before retrieving it. And it’s not possible to turn this off directly from the application - you have to log-in to your settings online, find the relevant page, turn off personally identifiable data sharing and then remember to press ‘Save’ before leaving that page (none of the other changes you make on other pages have this ‘Save’ requirement - and the button is designed to be missed).

A few more things about the Adobe way of doing business: not only is the standalone app relatively difficult to find on their website, the purchase page won’t work if you have AdBlock installed in your browser (I’ve never encountered this problem anywhere else). Also the registration process will sometimes stall if you’re running Little Snitch to watch outgoing communication.
All in all, they want to control every stage in the process - and they spy the most on their legitimate customers. I’ve seen many examples of other people who use the pirate versions of Adobe applications and they never need to jump through the hoops I do when I buy my software from Adobe.

 

[willie_901]

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2. You have absolutely no idea what your CC subscription will cost you over the next ten years.

You have no idea what the stand-alone versions will cost either. All the major operating systems improve and change so eventually applications become incompatablie.

 

[mani]

You have no idea what the stand-alone versions will cost either. All the major operating systems improve and change so eventually applications become incompatablie.

That’s not an analogous situation: buying the standalone version of an application and choosing not to upgrade your system if it introduces incompatibilities in your workflow, would mean you could reasonably estimate now exactly what the next ten years of using that software would cost you.

That isn’t true of using CC, as the price variation over the next ten years isn’t dependent on any factor under your control whatsoever.

 

[bobbyrab]

That isn’t true of using CC, as the price variation over the next ten years isn’t dependent on any factor under your control whatsoever.

Other than dropping it should it become too expensive and looking at an old version standalone, hacked version, or an alternative. I still have 4 versions of LR and 3 of PS to fall back on, but my guess is the current price point will in the long term generate better revenue than Adobes old model of high price standalone and upgrades,which drove large numbers to hacked versions.

 

[Darthfeeble]

One of our Club members has purchased it and states that you have to "Edit" the checkout to let them know it's an upgrade. Big difference in the price so I can understand why they make it tough.

 

[Rollmo]

I've been reading some other forums and the release is a little buggy. Seems v6 will mess up the 5.7 install. So, it looks like it is v6 or nothing.

For now, I'm sticking with v5.7...at some point I'll grab a 30 yr demo of 6.0

 

[Godfrey]

I made the calculation some time ago and found it again.

I bought LR 1 in April 2007 and made every update. That's 575.96 EUR for 8 years of use so far. I don't have PS.

CC right now is 11.89 EUR/month (includes PS that I don't need). If CC would have been available right from the start with 11.89 constant then it's 1141.44 EUR in total. Because LR was almost double the price in the first three years, let's also assume a higher CC price for the first 3 years, let's say 19.99 EUR/month = 1433.04 EUR in total

Quite a difference and not worth for LR only.

That's why LR CC is paired with PS CC as the minimum option. The pricing and licensing model assumption is that you're going to use both apps enough to be worth it. Since I don't use PS very much at all anymore, I bought the LR6 update with perpetual license.

Buying the LR6 perpetual license upgrade (US$80) reduces the monthly cost of using LR6 to $4.50/month (18 month expected cycle to next major release), and less if you decide you don't need the next major update.

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[Godfrey]

I've been reading some other forums and the release is a little buggy. Seems v6 will mess up the 5.7 install. So, it looks like it is v6 or nothing.

For now, I'm sticking with v5.7...at some point I'll grab a 30 yr demo of 6.0

I've heard of some issues that other folks have encountered, but I have LR 5.7.1 and LR 6 both installed and running fine for the moment. I'm just doing some testing so I know how the rendering of raw files differs between them, then I'll delete 5.7.1. There's little real point to having both on your system: it doubles your maintenance and backup work.

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[Kate-the-Great]

Welp, I guess I'm upgrading now. Adobe pushed out an update that apparently accidentally broke my 5.7 install- I started it up yesterday and it acted like a new install- all the settings were back to defaults and my catalog was gone. The catalog was still on the disk, but when I tried to add it, Lightroom threw an error. Hopefully nothing was corrupted, but at least I have recent backups.

I'll share my thoughts on 6 in a few days.

 

[bwcolor]

My CC LR 6 was DOA. I have downloaded it multiple times. It installs, but will not start. I'm running 8.1 / i7 / 32 gb memory and lots of space on my C drive. Support chat keeps me waiting on infinite hold. Last effort was 30 minutes and then it told me that they were closed. Funny..was suppose to be 24 hour.

 

[bobbyrab]

Same thing happened when I installed LR6. Sign out of and back into your cloud account [in preferences] and hopefully that should sort it.

 

[dasuess]

Zero problems here. It does require that you convert your catalog, but creates a backup for you first.

The only new feature I've tried is the panorama. It's nice - It took all of about 15 minutes to create a 7 image stitch and that included setting up the camera on a tripod and taking the images. And when you are done you have a raw DNG file that you can take into the Develop module just like any other raw file.

 

[bwcolor]

Same thing happened when I installed LR6. Sign out of and back into your cloud account [in preferences] and hopefully that should sort it.

Tried that prior to calling support.

 

[Godfrey]

Zero problems here. It does require that you convert your catalog, but creates a backup for you first.

The only new feature I've tried is the panorama. It's nice - It took all of about 15 minutes to create a 7 image stitch and that included setting up the camera on a tripod and taking the images. And when you are done you have a raw DNG file that you can take into the Develop module just like any other raw file.

+1

I've got both LR5 and LR6 installed for a little bit just so I can check out the differences in raw conversion between them. Both are running perfectly; LR6 provides a bit of a boost in performance and smoother control operation.

I tried the Merge to Panorama with a set of 11 quickly made full-rez JPEGs ... did a perfect job (of a totally boring subject...) in a couple of minutes.

I haven't tested the Xright Passport or Flat Field converter plug-ins yet.
I don't use them often, but they're very handy when I do. Another test soon...

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