lomography is killing me

olifaunt said:
Most of us on these forums don't really have a basis for denigrating the second type, and many of us would be on shaky ground denigrating the first type.
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But that goes counter to the adage "Don't hate, denigrate!" ;)

Anyway, I must be a hipster because:
  • I have hips;
  • I sometimes wear a beanie;
  • I have a tattoo (or two, does that make it a tattwo?);
  • I wear flannel (pajamas).
However, I'm unable to grow a beard, so I guess fail to meet that criteria. :D
 
Lomography is a double-edged sword; Sure, it's a marketing ploy. It never pretended to be otherwise. And sure, it invites third parties to jump on the Lomo bandwagon and charge crazy prices for run-of-the-mill, expired film. A fool and his money are soon parted, as they say. On the other hand, Lomography has gotten a lot of young people (who may or may not be hipsters, depending upon your definition and tolerance) interested in shooting film. Some of them are just using film as a fashion statement, but some of those young people are taking it seriously and some are doing really good work. These young, potentially-hipstery people are helping to keep the film industry alive and we can't have expired film, regardless of whether or not it's overpriced, if we don't have film at all.

As to expired film prices, yes it's a little irritating that some people are overcharging for recently expired stock, but there are still good deals to be had if one is patient.

From this forum alone I have bought quite a fair amount of expired film at good prices and continue to do so when I see the chance. Other forums and even, occasionally, Ebay still have good deals to be found if you keep a good lookout.

Regarding Huss' link: I bought a lot of the film from this seller and I can assure you he's a stand-up guy. Very honest. In your shoes, I'd definitely contact him about that TMY. He was really nice to do business with. -I hope I'm not breaking any forum rules by plugging someone else's classified ad!
 
Ted Striker said:
The F6 is hardly a mainstream camera. Sales of this camera are extremely minute.



Fujifilm used to produce the excellent Klasse, Natura, and other high quality consumer grade cameras. All sadly discontinued now.
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Yes! Lol! Ted Striker is a hysterical character. Like the Debbie Downer of the photography industry. Truly a committed pessimist. I love it.
 
Pentode said:
Lomography is a double-edged sword; Sure, it's a marketing ploy. It never pretended to be otherwise. And sure, it invites third parties to jump on the Lomo bandwagon and charge crazy prices for run-of-the-mill, expired film. A fool and his money are soon parted, as they say. On the other hand, Lomography has gotten a lot of young people (who may or may not be hipsters, depending upon your definition and tolerance) interested in shooting film. Some of them are just using film as a fashion statement, but some of those young people are taking it seriously and some are doing really good work. These young, potentially-hipstery people are helping to keep the film industry alive and we can't have expired film, regardless of whether or not it's overpriced, if we don't have film at all.
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absolutely agree +1
 
Solinar said:
A non-scientific sample: all my friends that are 60 and older use digital cameras.
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Not saying your friends do this, but what I have seen is all those who b1tch and complain about film tend to be old people who no longer use film, but exclusively shoot on digital.
And they will have anecdotes about how they used film for the last 40 + years, all the amazing things they did with it, and what a pain in the a$$ it is and so good riddance to it. They seems to almost be offended that it still exists and young people are discovering it and loving it. It's as if they don't want any newbies to experience what they experienced, so they can lord over them that back in the day they were pro film shooters but 'you' wouldn't understand as 'you' are not able to use it.
So they try their darndest to turn people off it, and then berate those that do use it by denigrating them because, well, perhaps there is an envy that they are demonstrating a passion that is no longer within them.
 
This is the raison d'être of the internet.

It's the equivalent to I liked that band before they were famous...

Huss said:
Not saying your friends do this, but what I have seen is all those who b1tch and complain about film tend to be old people who no longer use film, but exclusively shoot on digital.
And they will have anecdotes about how they used film for the last 40 + years, all the amazing things they did with it, and what a pain in the a$$ it is and so good riddance to it. They seems to almost be offended that it still exists and young people are discovering it and loving it. It's as if they don't want any newbies to experience what they experienced, so they can lord over them that back in the day they were pro film shooters but 'you' wouldn't understand as 'you' are not able to use it.
So they try their darndest to turn people off it, and then berate those that do use it by denigrating them because, well, perhaps there is an envy that they are demonstrating a passion that is no longer within them.
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Huss said:
Not saying your friends do this, but what I have seen is all those who b1tch and complain about film tend to be old people who no longer use film, but exclusively shoot on digital.
And they will have anecdotes about how they used film for the last 40 + years, all the amazing things they did with it, and what a pain in the a$$ it is and so good riddance to it. They seems to almost be offended that it still exists and young people are discovering it and loving it. It's as if they don't want any newbies to experience what they experienced, so they can lord over them that back in the day they were pro film shooters but 'you' wouldn't understand as 'you' are not able to use it.
So they try their darndest to turn people off it, and then berate those that do use it by denigrating them because, well, perhaps there is an envy that they are demonstrating a passion that is no longer within them.
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Sure there may be a few people like that, but to condemn every older digital shooter in nonsense.
 
Buy new film.



A tangent: to disparage Lomography as just marketing bunk is silly. Leica is marketing bunk. Hassleblad is marketing bunk. Nikon, Canon, etc. all have marketing aimed at selling what you don't need, and filling your head with day dreams about how many cool photos you'll take once you hand over the cash.
 
You can’t win. You tell the newbies “Why are you using filters to make your photos look like (expired/cross-processed/etc.) film when you can just shoot film?” After shooting film becomes cool, people don’t like that people followed their advice and will pay money out of their underemployed, hugely in debt wallets so they can do photography the “right” way. :rolleyes:
 
Luckily a few of us old gits know that you win some and you lose some.


And when we give the wrong answer, when asked on forums, it's called bitching...


Regards, David
 
I'm always entertained on Instagram seeing new generation film shooters post under-exposed or undusted negatives or indeed, just ordinary shots, from film, and getting comments so over-done that I start to show my age. I am delighted by the resurgence of film, but a bad photo remains a bad photo in whichever medium.
 
Steve M. said:
35mm Tr1-X in 36 exposure is $5.66 here in the US at Freestyle Photo, so I can't complain. It's not so bad over here.


Doesn't the EU put a lot of taxes and tariffs on imported photography stuff anyway? They're the cause of your film prices being so high even when you don't buy from Lomography. I'm not knocking the taxes. I would be more than happy to pay them if we got the benefits that most EU states provide for it's citizens. But we don't.
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Import VAT is applicable to all goods, there is nothing special related to photography. Tariffs? I am not aware of any... And I am not sure “imported photography in EU” is something that worries us with Ilford, Adox and most of other b&w stuff is actually made in EU.
 
CharlesDAMorgan said:
I'm always entertained on Instagram seeing new generation film shooters post under-exposed or undusted negatives or indeed, just ordinary shots, from film, and getting comments so over-done that I start to show my age. I am delighted by the resurgence of film, but a bad photo remains a bad photo in whichever medium.
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Photographic effects, or Syntax is something I teach to painters, illustrators, etc. And I think it's something people who are new to shooting film are intrigued by which is why they pursue things like grain, vignetting, lens flare, etc. Because those effects, while undesirable to "good" photographers are also hallmarks of the medium.

Digital has also long been sold on a falsity that it is easier than film, so there is this perception that film must be really hard to learn. Impress your friends and family - try film!
 
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