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varjag

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I was shooting some street today in Minsk city centre. After roaming around for a while, I found a promising place with an interesting sign on the wall, and set to wait for a suitable pedestrian to complete the form for a shot. It was a busy corner, so chances were good that the opportunity would arise.

In about 20 minutes, a police patrol have approached me; they were two OMON officers who usually are getting involved during protests or riots. They asked me what am I doing here. I honestly told that am waiting for a suitable photographic situation to build up. Then, the conversation went like this:

"- You are not allowed to shoot here"
😕 "- Well, actually I am allowed to, being in a public place with no prohibitive signs"
"- Your papers, citizen"
"- Sorry, have none" (my bad, but by the law I am not actually required to have an ID on me)
"- Show us the contents of your bag"

I complied, showing them a tube of toothpaste, exposure meter, my set of lenses, unbrella and a Norwegian-Russian dictionary. They examined the dictionary to ensure it is not a piece of opposition literature (fortunately I took out the bag a poltical review magazine I was about to read, just before going out), then asked me whether I'm a press or just an individual.

"-Just a photography amateur"
"-You know it is prohibited to shoot here"
"-It is not"
"-OK. We are detaining you for identification"

So they escorted me to the nearest police station. I asked what is wrong with photographing in that place, they replied that I could be contemplating a photograph containing anti-state propaganda. "But you have nothing to be afraid of if you weren't doing anything bad, it is just a check"

I was the only visitor at the station, and the idling policemen around have started to speculate what I could be doing there. One of the officers who detained me has queried my name, date/place of birth, residential address, registration address and place of work. He matched it against their database while his partner was gazing at me, then let me go, with suggestion to return home.

I went out virtually shaking; once calmed down I returned to the exact same spot and continued my business. In another half an hour the same patrol has appeared, we've exchanged looks but they did nothing.

However my mood was totally ruined, and I did not produce any more shots. I find it ironic that although I've done my share of protest photography, I was challenged for virtually no reason at all.

Am learning to hate this place. It isn't exactly news that Belarus is a police state, but the moments like this render that understanding sharply, through one's fear and cold sweat on the back.
 
For what is is worth, one cannot use a tripod in Washington, DC, since the attack on Pres. Truman in early 50s. Also, bridges, etc. are now viewed with concern when one photographs in area since 9/11
Johne
 
Eugene... I'm glad you came back. In my experience, you never argue with policemen. No matter how right you are, they have guns, power and the know-how to use them.

I sympathize with you about loathing places that can be that unfriendly... But then, in the future, just don't return there.
 
Thanks for your sympathies folks. I used "the place" in more general sense; I've shot on that street before many times and never had a problem.

This time I was just standing with a camera there, not even aiming it, no tripod or anything menacing. The closest object of any importance was a McDonalds restaurant.

As to always bending to policemen will I beg to disagree. It will get only worse if you do nothing.
 
I understand your feeling of outrage Eugene. Especially at the thougth of just accepting bad police behavior. Unfortunately, it seems to be the wisest thing to do, regardless of what part of the world you are in. Funny how some things hold true everywhere. In my native country (India), for example, there is a popular notion of how the police are the third most corrupt and rude of all government agencies, behind customs and the road transport departments. From what I hear of other places, police behavior is definitely something to be wary of anywhere in the world.
 
Dear Anand,

What, more bent than the defence ministry?

And people complain about Republicans/Democrats, Conservatives/Labour. Cong I/BJP is a choice of leprosy or the plague...

So far I've been lucky with the police in India. In any country, though, I find it best to be (a) extremely polite ('Sorry, I didn't realize...) and (b) unyielding (Can you tell me exactly what I have done wrong?) -- as Eugene was. Eventually it gets far enough up the command chain that they realize that they are probably in more trouble than you are. If you give in too easily immediately, they just get worse next time.

Cheers,

Roger
 
Well... In Guatemala, where I was born, you just don't argue with these guys. You're better off apologizing to them ("sorry, I wasn't aware of this") or, in an extreme case, handing them a "be-quiet" bank note.

But then, again, never have I been in your situation... and I do definitely understand your outrage. My first reaction (if I didn't have this irrational fear or respect for policemen) would be to reply that if I really were so bent on causing mayhem and destruction, wouldn't I be wiser by using a different tool like a cell phone, which would allow me to take pictures without anyone noticing?

It seems these people don't have imagination. And neither do their superiors... 🙁
 
varjag said:
The closest object of any importance was a McDonalds restaurant.
That must have been it. I have to admit, I've found Mickey Dee's to be quite a hub of suspicious activity in several countries. 😎 Steer clear, good varjag, steer clear.




Glad you're safe. Carry on to shoot another day.
 
Eugene, you have my full support! Luckily policemen are mostly people you can trust here in germany. And I do my best to keep it this way.
 
varjag said:
As to always bending to policemen will I beg to disagree. It will get only worse if you do nothing.

Well stated. In the US we often take our freedom for granted, though we celebrate it often. For us to be stepped on unfairly is unusual so we may be able to brush it off. Thank you for sharing a lesson from where it happens often.
 
What an experience u had there!

Here in Egypt police have much more authority than they should, also it is gettin decreased by time, but still, things like that and worse happen from time to time...

U've my support here...
 
varjag, what place you in? What continent is that? That's a scary experience. Cops are often power-tripping and all, and sometimes I agree with those who said we shouldn't give in to them, but sometimes, depending on what country you're in, I guess, it might be best (or at least safest) to.

Our cops are very inept but corrupt, people are probably as wary and suspicious of them as they would be a criminal. A lot of times, they do turn out to be.
 
Kat, Belarus is a former part of the USSR. Now it is an independent nation and part of the new Russian Federation, but more or less just on paper for the latter so far. Belarus is home to some of the nicest and most decent people I've ever met.

Varjag, I'm so sorry this is happening to you. I realize that there is danger in standing up to the police. But if no one does, then they assume they have powers that they don't have - and will abuse it. That's just human nature, nothing against the police and the important jobs they do.

I end up shaking after a confrontation with the police also, and I've had a couple. But I still do it.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Roger, it is often the case in authoritative or third-world countries when foreginers enjoy far greater liberties than the citizens. It was the case in USSR, it is the case in Belarus. At least police wouldn't resort to violence on a citizen of a Western democracy: police violence is common, but they are afraid to cause problems to their master, as there are real powers behind westerners which will undobtedly interfere if thier citizens are abused. So, they'll stand a lot of things you can do, while a ciziten would have a hard time with it.

Kat, Bill is correct: this is Eastern Europe, an ex-USSR state. It is not nearly as bad as North Korea yet, by my estimate we are much alike Pinochet's Chile. Belarus is an independent state; the union with Russia was a populist move by our president in mid-90s and is not enfoced in practice. He would never give up his power: here Lukashenko is omnipotent, in Russia he is nothing.

Bill, I still actually can't pin down the emotion that set me shaking. It was a combination of rage and fear, and am not sure which of them prevailed.

Thanks to everyone for support. A special thank you to the people from other places with authoritative regimes.. I hope that personal freedom will eventually prevail everywhere. The worldwide political development of the last 50 years is an up-and-down curve, but it seems to converge for sanity. Hope we'll all get there eventually.
 
Dear Varjag,

I have no doubt you are right. I'd like to put it on record that the opportunity to communicate with you, and others like you (there are not many, and that is meant as a compliment) is one reason why I like RFF so much. It is a privilege.

Cheers,

Roger
 
johne said:
For what is is worth, one cannot use a tripod in Washington, DC, since the attack on Pres. Truman in early 50s. Also, bridges, etc. are now viewed with concern when one photographs in area since 9/11
Johne


I didn't know that. During my life there it never became an issue. I used a tripod on a regular basis while in school. Often on the Ellipse and at other parks and monuments there.

On the other hand I do hear that average citizens there are now asked to put away their cameras. This happened to someone we know recently who was born and raised in Washington, DC. Trust me this person wouldn't appear to be a danger to most people. She was flabergasted and saddened.
 
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