"M (Typ 262)"

[JPSuisse]

Again, this is not the feature set that will get me to upgrade.

If they had an MP-like digital M (controls, design, size), I would upgrade (probably just because I have more money than sense.)

Otherwise, I simply don't see enough improvements over the M8 for a hobby photographer like me to upgrade.

Otherwise, looks like a great camera for a lower price for the masses!

 

[Ben Z]

Again, this is not the feature set that will get me to upgrade.

If I had an MP like digital M (controls, design, size), I would upgrade

As an M240 owner there is nothing compelling for me about the M262. I've never used video and rarely live view, but since the firmware update permitting both to be disabled I don't even notice they're there. And the nice thing Leica did was make it so you don't have to go into a menu to re-enable live view if you use the EVF, just plug it in and push the on/off button on the finder.

If however if technology would allow Leica to make a FF optical-rangefinder digital M the size of an M7 I would be very interested, even if it lacked an LCD.

 

[krötenblender]

As an M240 owner there is nothing compelling for me about the M262. I've never used video and rarely live view, but since the firmware update permitting both to be disabled I don't even notice they're there.

How do you disable LiveView?

 

[jaapv]

By the LV button on the back -it switches LV off and on.

 

[Lss]

By the LV button on the back -it switches LV off and on.

Isn't that exactly what someone was complaining about earlier? The button activates when the camera is put into its holster.

The solution: Switch LV on and then put the camera into its holster. 😀

 

[JPSuisse]

If however if technology would allow Leica to make a FF optical-rangefinder digital M the size of an M7 I would be very interested, even if it lacked an LCD.

Thanks Ben, this is what I meant with MP-like: FF, optical rangefinder, digital, with same controls as my film MP. Like you, the Screen doesn't bother me, but I don't use it either.

Actually, I have been waiting for this for a while. It just doesn't come. Instead Leica insists on producing 20 near misses... M8.2, M9, M9-P (Very close that one!), miscellanious Safari Editions, M240, M-E, M-P, M262, etc.

But a near miss won't push me to upgrade in this case, because my M8 is also a perfectly useable near miss. Sure the M240 has better technology, but not really that much better for me.

 

[krötenblender]

By the LV button on the back -it switches LV off and on.

What you describe is to activate/deactivate the function LV. What I want is to deactivate the feature, so that you can not activate the function at all.

Should be easy with a small change in firmware.

 

[robert blu]

If, I repeat IF 🙂)) Leica had to listen to the desires of the potential clients who write in the forum they had to make so many different cameras....and still anybody would complain that...

robert

 

[ferider]

What you describe is to activate/deactivate the function LV. What I want is to deactivate the feature, so that you can not activate the function at all.

Should be easy with a small change in firmware.

Already works with v 2.0.1.7. Use the 240's Light Metering Mode “Classic / LV disabled”.

Roland.

 

[jaapv]

Isn't that exactly what someone was complaining about earlier? The button activates when the camera is put into its holster.

The solution: Switch LV on and then put the camera into its holster. 😀

😀 Or don't put in a holster...😉

 

[Vince Lupo]

Already works with v 2.0.1.7. Use the 240's Light Metering Mode “Classic / LV disabled”.

Roland.

Yes that would do it! Same with the 246.

 

[krötenblender]

Already works with v 2.0.1.7. Use the 240's Light Metering Mode “Classic / LV disabled”.

Wow, this is great, thanks. I had 2.0.1.5 until now and just updated to 2.0.2.5 and regarding LV, it feels like a new camera.

Sadly (hey, I'm a custumer, I always complain... 😛), the issue of slow startup still exists. Just tested a nearly full 64GB SanDisk, that was formatted in camera. Startup time until the first shutter release were 14 seconds (holy moly! - in that time you can load a new film and shot the first five frames...). The same card in my Oly E-M1: less than two seconds until shutter release.

Anyway, with LV completely disabled, I can keep the M switched on for the whole day and don't care about startup times anymore.

 

[krötenblender]

😀 Or don't put in a holster...😉

Not an option. The M is too heavy to hold it the whole day in hand, also I usually carry a second camera. Holster is often the only good option for my style of moving, acting and shooting.

What puzzles me with your replies is (or I'm missing the humor even with the smileys) why it is so hard to just admit, that improvement is possible, even for our beloved Leica...

 

[krötenblender]

If, I repeat IF 🙂)) Leica had to listen to the desires of the potential clients who write in the forum they had to make so many different cameras....and still anybody would complain that...

But the DO make so many different cameras lately - and still... they don't get it right. 😛

 

[Vince Lupo]

Sadly (hey, I'm a custumer, I always complain... 😛), the issue of slow startup still exists. Just tested a nearly full 64GB SanDisk, that was formatted in camera. Startup time until the first shutter release were 14 seconds (holy moly! - in that time you can load a new film and shot the first five frames...). The same card in my Oly E-M1: less than two seconds until shutter release.

What's the write speed of that card? I just had a look at my 246 with a 32GB 95MB/s card with almost 500 RAW photos on it, and the startup time to first shutter release was about 2 seconds. Battery is at 75%.

 

[krötenblender]

What's the write speed of that card? I just had a look at my 246 with a 32GB 95MB/s card with almost 500 RAW photos on it, and the startup time to first shutter release was about 2 seconds. Battery is at 75%.

45MB/s with 1870 RAWS - But on startup, the camera only reads (or should, at least), write speed should not matter.

Also, with the same card the E-M1 is ready in less than 2 seconds. So the card speed can not be the problem. The flaw is in the SW, that does something useless in a very inefficient way with the card.

 

[Pete B]

Just tested a nearly full 64GB SanDisk, that was formatted in camera. Startup time until the first shutter release were 14 seconds
.

I'm on 2.0.2.5 and with a SanDisk 16GB 30MB/s card startup to shutter activation is 1sec. 😕 (M-P)
Pete

 

[krötenblender]

I'm on 2.0.2.5 and with a SanDisk 16GB 30MB/s card startup to shutter activation is 1sec. 😕 (M-P)
Pete

How many RAWs are on that card? If the card is empty, it is much faster.

 

[Pioneer]

I have already spoken to the San Francisco Leica Store about an upgrade from my M9 to the M262 and it looks as if we will be able to swing a deal.

I like the idea of the quieter shutter and the higher ISO capability. Don't have any need for Live View or video on my Leica. I use video with other cameras and as for Live View...

I was able to test the focus accuracy on my Nokton 50/1.1 with my M9 and have the lens subsequently adjusted by Don, so I guess I am not clear why I have to have Live View to do that with the newer camera. I do agree it may be easier but certainly not impossible.

As for focus accuracy I use my Color Skopar 35/2.5 and Elmar M 50/3.5 the great majority of the time and I have no reason to believe that the new camera won't be able to work with those lenses with any less ability than the M9.

I may miss the CCD sensor but I kind of doubt that will be a real big issue in the long run. I guess I'll find out.

 

[Vince Lupo]

45MB/s with 1870 RAWS - But on startup, the camera only reads (or should, at least), write speed should not matter.

Also, with the same card the E-M1 is ready in less than 2 seconds. So the card speed can not be the problem. The flaw is in the SW, that does something useless in a very inefficient way with the card.

Unfortunately that's not correct (or let me at least say that it is not correct based on my experience). Leica recommends minimum 95MB/s for the 246 (I'd assume it would be the same for the 240). It's in the owner's manual (at least it's in the 246 manual), plus I was having the exact same problem with my camera after I bought it (I was using slower write speed cards as you are using). I called Leica NJ and spoke with Mark Brady (he is a technical advisor), thinking there was a problem with the camera. He was the person at Leica who told me about using faster write speed cards -- I switched to 95MB/s cards, and it fixed the startup time problem. So maybe try your camera with faster write speed cards - it should make a difference.