M10 vs Q?

[hrryxgg]

as an M6 user, in thinking about trying digital, what are the thoughts on the Q vs the M10?

curious!

 

[brennanphotoguy]

They are both very different cameras. One is a digital version of your M6, the other is a fixed lens camera with AF and an EVF. It really depends on what you want out of your camera and what you shoot.

 

[hrryxgg]

i mostly take street shots, especially when i travel.

one of the things that i lament is not having night time and indoor capabilities, hand held, esp since i love shooing 100 ASA on film.

my instinct is to ultimately stick with film; but the idea of having a small digital option in my kit sounds interesting.

does that make sense?

 

[Godfrey]

Well, the Q is not particularly small. It's basically about the same size as an M.

Do you like working with the lenses you have for your M6? Do you like the shooting workflow you use with your M6? Then the natural thing to do if you also want a digital capture option is to buy the M10 body.

If however, you want to explore using and learning an autofocus camera with a really nice 28mm lens, the Q presents a good option.

G

 

[hrryxgg]

what do you mean by 'shooting workflow'...?

 

[Ko.Fe.]

HCB was taking street and travel with 50mm lens most and not so much with 28mm lens.
How do you compare M10 with 50 1.4 lens on it and Q with fixed 28 lens on it?
Compare Q vs Ricoh GR II (which, IMO, makes more sense for travel and street photography in addition for M6) vs Fuji x70 .

M10 is much more versatile camera vs Q. Think of it as replacement of M6. While Q is second camera to M6, IMO.

 

[mpaniagua]

I supppose it would mean the way you work with your camera to get pictures: choose lens, use manual focus, see though a Visual Viewfinder,etc. A Q is an autofocus, fixed lens and EVF, so your normal routine may change a bit (like working with a fixed lens on the Q insteand of being able to change focal length on the M).

Regards

 

[jsrockit]

what do you mean by 'shooting workflow'...?

How comfortable are you with the M6? Would the Q make photography easier / more comfortable for you or harder?

 

[jaapv]

as an M6 user, in thinking about trying digital, what are the thoughts on the Q vs the M10?

curious!

Two totally different cameras. One is a fixed-lens EVF compact, the other a rangefinder system camera. There is no way to compare them. There will be little difference in the output quality.

 

[jaapv]

i mostly take street shots, especially when i travel.

one of the things that i lament is not having night time and indoor capabilities, hand held, esp since i love shooing 100 ASA on film.

my instinct is to ultimately stick with film; but the idea of having a small digital option in my kit sounds interesting.

does that make sense?

In that case something like a D-Lux appears to be more suitable.

 

[nightfly]

Used M9 or 240. Easier to dip your feet in the water, similar to film M, if you like it but want something a little thinner and newer you can sell it and get an M10.

To me the Q seems a little limited (though good at what it does). If I were just getting into digital I'd be much more tempted by a Ricoh GR. Not an M but also not Leica prices. Smaller, lighter, good files. Fixed 28mm.

 

[Gregm61]

i mostly take street shots, especially when i travel.

one of the things that i lament is not having night time and indoor capabilities, hand held, esp since i love shooing 100 ASA on film.

my instinct is to ultimately stick with film; but the idea of having a small digital option in my kit sounds interesting.

does that make sense?

You already have the lenses if you're using an M6. Get a digital body where you can continue to use those same lenses. The M10 will definitely get you the indoor and nighttime capability with its high ISO abilities and you can keep shooting that 100 speed film in your M6.

The Q to me just makes no sense. I understand wanting a small option, but the Q is not small. If you want a digital compact, buy one that really is small.

Based on M prices you're primarily buying the lens when you buy a Q....a great lenses bolted permanently on to a body frozen in time, technology-wise, while the current M lenses you own are useable on any M body, be it a 60 year-old film M, digital made today or 5 years from now.

 

[Godfrey]

what do you mean by 'shooting workflow'...?

As others have intimated, the way in which you set focus, exposure, frame, and expose constitutes your shooting workflow. There are many subtle differences in performing these actions with an auto-exposure, autofocus, EVF type camera compared to using a manual focus, match-diode metering, optical viewfinder type camera.

Several different workflows exist for both cameras. The Q presents more options because of its automation and other modern features, but more options isn't always synonymous with "the best option." What works best for you is a very personal decision based on how a particular camera works and the results you get with it.

G

 

[doolittle]

For something digital to complement your M6, but not necessarily duplicate the experience maybe consider:

Sony A7S - 12 megapixels, fantastic low light ability, works well with many Leica (and other) lenses with an adapter, great video

Fuji X100 series - optical and evf, fixed 35mm equivalent APS-C lens, reasonably good low light ability

 

[MCTuomey]

Two totally different cameras. One is a fixed-lens EVF compact, the other a rangefinder system camera. There is no way to compare them. There will be little difference in the output quality.

They are both very different cameras. One is a digital version of your M6, the other is a fixed lens camera with AF and an EVF. It really depends on what you want out of your camera and what you shoot.

+3

you can shoot full manual with the Q, making it in principle the functional equivalent of an M body with a 28, but to me manual mode on the Q is a "there if you want/need it" concept. The Q is an AF/EVF uber-bundle and is best used that way. Bottom line is if you want multiple focal lengths, M system. Fixed lens EVF, everywhere camera, it's Q for you.

The Q to me just makes no sense. I understand wanting a small option, but the Q is not small. If you want a digital compact, buy one that really is small.

No one claims it's small in absolute terms, but compared to an M body with a 28 lux, it is definitely smaller and lighter, and imho very pleasant to handle and shoot. So much so that, for me, if I could get another Q with a 50 lux, I'd sell off my M stuff and ride with two Q's, 28 & 50.

 

[Gregm61]

No one claims it's small in absolute terms.

"small digital option" is exactly what the OP said he was looking for in post #3. Sounded about as absolute a statement as one could make to me.

 

[jsrockit]

So, it's been a few months... any decision?

 

[danielsterno]

my advice is to rent a Q for a week and see first hand if it works for you, not sure how you use a camera and for what, I shoot with M6/M5 for street/interior public like restaurants/bars and use x100 as my only digital and I am considering a change for the x100 and rented a Q & x100f: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160530
I rented from lensrental.com who are very good and is fair on pricing IMO- good luck to you, u may not want to send the Q back! cheers, daniel