M4 vs M7 (or what worked and what didn't at Angkor)

Banteay Srei...

Banteay Srei...

...or Citadel of the Women. The carvings in pinkish stone are so fine they are said to be the handiwork of women. This lintel shows a scene from the Ramayana, where Ravana the 10-headed demon (at the base of the carving) is shaking Mount Kailasa, causing the animals (also at the base of the carving).

The God Shiva is seated on the summit of Mount Kailasa, and his wife Uma sits on his lap and clings anxiously to him in fear. According to the legend, Shiva stopped Ravana from shaking the mountain by using his toe to press down on the mountain and to trap Ravana underneath for 1,000 years.
 

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That was a great blog of your trip. To me, it also suggested that an AF SLR w/ 2 zooms may be a better travel option, as long as you use a small one w/ a quieter shutter. Might want to supplement it w/ a small fixed lens RF camera like a Konica C35 or something similar for those discreet cafe grab shots, or a Contax G.

I would agree w/ everything you observed except for #9. I just don't need to be thinking so much. Would rather be shooting and AE, and sometimes AF is just a better way to go. The camera will make the right exposure decisions (the same ones I would make), and if I need to compensate it's easy to do, except when you have the problems you described from a badly designed camera feature. After a bit of shooting you just don't have to review all that information, it just comes quickly w/o thinking. Got a portrait-quickly open the aperture to blur the background. Lots of sky-make the correct exposure adjustment. Landscape-stop it down. I noticed that my Contax G cameras could be used much quicker than my M, although I prefered using the M usually just for the feel of it. The G cameras have a wonderfully designed exposure lock that makes rapid exposure adjustments a joy.

As much as I love RF cameras, if I am really concerned about getting shots I will grab my Nikon 8008s w/ a 35 70 2.8 lens because of the AF (sorta slow and clunky, but I am used to it), the big bright viewfinder w/ easy to see aperture and shutter readouts, and the thumb wheel and AE lock that make exposure adjustments almost instantaneous.

Having said all that, the best travel photos we have came from my Konica C35 and the wife's P&S Olympic Stylus w/ a 35 80 zoom, so go figure. Maybe because they were so small and light that we always had them w/ us, they have good lenses, and maybe the shorter focal lenghts are better for that type of shooting. I have no idea.
 
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I like the little boy for scale, but this print is kind of lifeless, although it has a full range of tones (from black to almost pure white in the foreground). I know-- the light was harsh mid-day, not the best. Is there anything I can do to make the print better?


Ta Som is always hard place to photograph no matter what time the day! it's hard to exactly say how i'd make it better but if it was me i would burn in a lot of the background to simplify the huge amount of detail and make it more dramatic. Might be my monitor but the screen image seems a little grey i'm sure the actual print has more depth to it. If you're printing it yourself have you tried split grade printing with a 00 and a 5, you can then pump up the tonality again in CS after you've scanned it?

btw Waileong now that you have had chance to make some prints and evaluate your results - if you were to return to the Temples would you take a simpler shooting kit?
I ask because i always ask myself the same questions and seeing the actual results often provokes more questions.

It's good to have a thread like this - keep posting your results! 🙂
 
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Thanks Simon. I've only done split grade when I really had no choice, because it takes so much time and paper to get it right, and it seems in this case I'll have to do it again.

As for my kit:

If I were shooting the temples again, I would bring my Hassy, prob a 50, 80 and 180 kit + 3 backs! I left mine at home as I'd read reports the temple staff would charge extra for MF cameras. But there were people shooting on tripods when I was and they weren't harrassed. I brought my Leica kit only because I wanted to something I could use for street and village photography as well.

If I were to bring my 35 mm kit, I would still bring two bodies and four lenses, but that's only because I want to shoot in both colour and B&W. I woud however bring a 135 instead of the 90.

The Leica stuff is a little heavy, but is really not that big-- it all fits into a Hadley Pro. You know, actually a bag isn't even necessary if I had two ever-ready cases. It would be simple to carry one body + lens on each shoulder, keep a third lens in a pants pocket, keep filters in a filter pouch on the belt, keep five rolls of film in a shirt pocket, and I'd be set. I could leave the 135 mm lens with my driver since it's so rarely used, or carry it in another pocket.

I'm thinking of returning to Cambodia, but frankly, I'm not sure I would go back to the temples. Cost is one reason, esp. if one has to try again and again to get the light and (sometimes) rain if one wants to shoot those moody/broody pictures I've seen in those coffee table books.

I'm thinking of going back to do shooting in the villages. Their farm life is nothing like what you have in US or UK. They are very poor. Apart from farming, rearing of poultry and other livestock, the men and boys supplement their food by fishing in muddy ponds. I even saw them catching small grass snakes for food!

These people have no running water, no sanitation, they depend on wells & rainwater, they live in rickety thatched huts and cook using firewood which causes a lot of smoke and haze.

They have no running electricity in the villages. Those who can afford it watch TV powered by lead acid accummulators, which they recharge once a week.

It's a very hard life. And yet, for such a poor people, politics is everywhere. Every village has one or more political party branches, with banners of "Funcinpec", "Sam Rainsy", etc. Democracy is well-established and I think the people are very politically aware.

I've some pictures of village life, but I've not printed them yet. Not enough for a real good photo story though.

If I could afford it-- time and money-- I'd rather do a photojournalism assignment where I could embed myself in the country for a month, do a story on the lives of the Cambodian people.

Compared with their glorious past (evidenced by the building of monuments like Angkor Wat), it's just so sad to see the state of Cambodia today.

But I've been unemployed for 5 months now, the job market window is opening again and I just can't go away right now.


Simon Larbalestier said:
Ta Som is always hard place to photograph no matter what time the day! it's hard to exactly say how i'd make it better but if it was me i would burn in a lot of the background to simplify the huge amount of detail and make it more dramatic. Might be my monitor but the screen image seems a little grey i'm sure the actual print has more depth to it. If you're printing it yourself have you tried split grade printing with a 00 and a 5, you can then pump up the tonality again in CS after you've scanned it?

btw Waileong now that you have had chance to make some prints and evaluate your results - if you were to return to the Temples would you take a simpler shooting kit?
I ask because i always ask myself the same questions and seeing the actual results often provokes more questions.

It's good to have a thread like this - keep posting your results! 🙂
 
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Split grade printing can be easy once you know what look you want to achieve and have done a few test sheets. I use Focmats and have to swap out the filters each time but with patience and practice it works just fine. The problem with the temples at midday is the harsh shadows and too much detail. Rainy season is definitely my favorite time in Cambodia. I'd like to see your village images i've spent a lot to time in some of the rural communities. Interesting to read your revised equipment list. I shoot only b/w so keeps things relatively simple. Mixing 120 and 35mm almost always involves compromises so its hard to keep it that simple. Next trip for me would be 2 Xpan bodies (for 2 film speeds 400 and 1600) one 45 Xpan lens and a lecia M with a 50 and 35. Or if i was to take my 120 again i think it would just be the Plaubel Makina.
 
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Thanks. As I said, I would probably not shoot the temples again, I'd rather shoot village life. Obviously, if I wanted to shoot both, then my shoulders are only strong enough to bring one kit, and it would be the Leica.

Simon Larbalestier said:
Split grade printing can be easy once you know what look you want to achieve and have done a few test sheets. I use Focmats and have to swap out the filters each time but with patience and practice it works just fine. The problem with the temples at midday is the harsh shadows and too much detail. Rainy season is definitely my favorite time in Cambodia. I'd like to see your village images i've spent a lot to time in some of the rural communities. Interesting to read your revised equipment list. I shoot only b/w so keeps things relatively simple. Mixing 120 and 35mm almost always involves compromises so its hard to keep it that simple. Next trip for me would be 2 Xpan bodies (for 2 film speeds 400 and 1600) one 45 Xpan lens and a lecia M with a 50 and 35. Or if i was to take my 120 again i think it would just be the Plaubel Makina.
 
2 bodies and 4 lenses is not a lot of equipment. SLR users, for instance, would take a 16-35, 24-70, 70-200 and 580EX flash and 1-2 pro bodies-- which would weigh a lot more!

I second that. Funny thing, you list almost the exact kind of equipment I lugged around when doing reportages on Sri Lanka some 3 month ago. Add to that the other excessive equipment such as laptop, sat.phone, solar chargers, etc etc...

My biggest regret at the time was that I didn't bring an old beaten M4 body with me since it was a bit "difficult" to sport pro dslr's in high security areas without getting stopped by police or military. A small beaten "touristy" M-leica probably would've given me more pictures to get away with.

However, the physical footprint of memory cards wins over film rolls anyday, esp. if there's spotnews to be had. Nontheless, for the next reportage I will surely bring one or two M-bodies (with lenses of course!).
 

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Sigh! Just 3 image attachments allowed!?
 

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OKAY... getting closer to getting banned for spamming!? Last 3 pics then... to be on the safe side.
 

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