M6 Classic or M5?

M6 Classic or M5?

  • M6 Classic

    Votes: 128 59.0%
  • M5

    Votes: 89 41.0%

  • Total voters
    217
An MP is just the M6 in a fancy new shell. Sherry Krauter has been replacing old M6 circuit boards with new ones made for MPs.

The M6TTL and M7 require the circuit boards to work in order for the flash to function. The circuit board controls the TTL function. But even pain old non TTL flash requires the circuit board to fire the flash. That is - these cameras don't have mechanical - electrical flash synch switches such as the other cameras. They rely upon a triac or other electronic switch to fire the flash.

Don Goldberg told me that the flash circuitry is rated up to 600V. I was worried that my bulb flashes (uses 22.5V) may fry my M7 (and it might have, as the current peak is high with flash bulbs, up to around 1A). I noticed that the M7 flash switch stays closed circuit after firing my bulb flashes. This is a major risk, because trying to put another bulb in there is going to result in burns on my fingers when the bulb ignites as I'm trying to plug it in. The only way to turn it off is to unplug the PC connection, then reconnect. This allows the electronic switch in the camera to reset. Thus, I would suggest to owners of M6TTL and M7 cameras that they NOT use any bulb flashes. Stick with the Leica brand or Metz SCA compatible electronic flashes.

The mechanical flash switches have tungsten contact points (Nikon, Leica), or silver contacts (Zeiss Contax IIa and IIIa rangefinders). Henry Scherer assured me that the silver contacts on my Contax IIa can handle 1 ampere or more of current without any trouble. This is why I love these older mechanical cameras. They are built to last!

Back to the original topic. Both the M5 and M6 classic use mechanical flash synch switches. So, nothing to choose from there.
I just can't tolerate the tiny shutter speed dials on the M6 (and its direct decendent the MP).
Thus my preference for the M5, M7 (bigger shutter speed dial), and older unmetered M cameras with the MR-4 meter (big shutter dial on the meter).
 
I owned an M5 and M6 (both rather briefly). So I'll put in a vote for the M5. I couldn't stand those blinding, distracting LED indicators in the M6. The M5 has IMO simply the zenith of Leica viewfinder technology. It is indeed different in some way from either the M2, M4 or later M4-2 through M6, and I've tried all of those as well. Somehow easier to compose and focus (not that the others are lacking--until you try an M5). And it is a solid, beautifully-crafted instrument.

That being said, I now shoot LTM cameras, both for economic reasons and my somewhat esoteric need to have in-camera multiple-exposure capability.

(Note, the M5 is the only M Leica "officially" capable of multiple-exposures. But that is the reason I sold mine: It is true that you won't strip gears by holding down the rewind lever and advancing film--Leica even describes it in the M5 instruction manual--but unfortunately Leica didn't take the additional step of completely disengaging the sprocket wheel during this procedure. So unless you're extremely lucky or endowed with 3 hands, you'll still get overlapping and mis-registered frames and you'll lose the next frame altogether. I don't know why they even mentioned it in the manual to be honest.)
 
If you have used two un-metered cameras (M2 and M4-P) over the last few years, why would you need a metered camera now? I would have assumed that you mastered sunny-16 by now 😉
 
FWIW - in my view, the most reliable 35mm cameras are the Nikon professional series SLRs, from the F onwards. They never seem to fail.

The LCDs fail in the F3 and F4. The F4 I had would not meter in Shutter priority. The non titanium F3 series are notorious for cracking their meter boards on the left side under the hot shoe (irreparable part with no replacements) if they take a whack there. It's why on the F3P and F3 Limited they have a flash shoe on the prism. Both of which I own cuz lowly F3s just won't cut it with their putty soft prisms.
 
Well, I have an F, two F2 and an F3T.
The LCD on the F3T is still good after about 30 years.
I know about the risk to the ISO ring on the F3 from impact.

The F and F2 have been overhauled by Sover Wong.
All are working fine, even the meter heads. I have plain prisms for them also, but the meter heads are convenient.
 
Well, I have an F, two F2 and an F3T.
The LCD on the F3T is still good after about 30 years.
I know about the risk to the ISO ring on the F3 from impact.

The F and F2 have been overhauled by Sover Wong.
All are working fine, even the meter heads. I have plain prisms for them also, but the meter heads are convenient.

F and F2 really are the only ones that will last 'forever'.
I have those as well as the other Fs. Kinda nice to know! And Sover Wonged my two F2s.

The light and loose (ball bearing races?) film lever advance on the F3 has been praised by many, but I much prefer the more solid, heavier and precise feel on the F and F2. or any film Leica. Or Minolta XK.
 
I vote for the M5.
Don (DAG) still services it. I got mine CLA'd last year from him and an extra lug added, although now I think I prefer using it the 2-lug way.
Note that you can easily use the MR-9 battery adapter if your M5 hasn't been converted to use modern batteries.
 
Every Leica film enthusiast should at least try the M5. The M5 is in fit and finish a grade higher than the other M cameras. The frames in the viewfinder are just perfect. The lightmeter gives more information about the light than the lightmeter of the M6 and is never distracting. The meter is just there if you want to consult it. You can read the shutterspeed in the viewfinder. You can change the shutterspeed without taking the camera from your eye. The release of the shutter is smoother than that of the M6. You can use all intermediate speeds. Loading and rewinding the film is faster (if you know how to do it). The pictures are sharper because there is less shutter vibration. It is simply a better camera than the M6. Watch out, when you try it you are addicted. See the work of the great Japanese photographer Junku Nishimura. He too uses the M5. The rangefinder never flares. 1/8 sec is easy done handheld. There is a self timer. The frame counter has white numerals on a black background, reads much easier. There are no double frames in the finder.

Erik.

I have an M5 (also M3, M4-P) and its almost impossible to disagree with Erik statement. However, it is heavy, literally a brick in comparison. It seems almost a bit unLeica....except for how well it works. The more people extol M5 virtues the more it becomes exalted and making it difficult for me to use, as use tends to devalue pristine examples of just about anything. I guess that makes me a reluctant collector?
 
I hadn't seen Erik's comments but I just have to agree. I tolerate the size for the merits it brings, and the meter, like that of the Leicaflex SL2 (which is also on the porkier side and of the same era) is just superb.

The other thing - as you rewind the film into the canister, the frame count goes backwards (again as on my Leicaflex). It is a wonderful little touch!
 
You have to think of the M5 as a camera that had to live through its marketing failure for photographers to recognize its greatness. Or put another way, it was the camera that Leica users were too stupid to know they wanted. I have both and love both. I had the M6 from about 1994 . . . bought it lightly used and loved everything about it having used two M3's for about two years before that. But if you forget for a moment that the M5 was sandwiched in between the M4 and the M6, and just hold the thing in your hand, look through the viewfinder and wind on the advance lever . . .man, there are just so many refinements in that camera. It is like loving a car from the 60's with fins and a carburetor, and an engine that purrs like a panther even though you know your modern Civic gets better gas mileage and is, ultimately, more reliable.

Now in the poll above, and despite my affection for the M5, I chose the M6. Why? Smaller profile, Rapidwinder and Motor-M compatibility etc. And, as they say, it ain't the years, its the mileage. All things being equal, I would choose the newer machine to take me reliably down the road. But I will never sell that M5 . . . love it warts and all.

LIke the Richard Pryor line about a Jaguar car..."pure pussy".
 
... The M7 has motor compatibility that the M5 doesn't have. ..

Couple o things..

I have the M motor and was using it on my M7. Then someone with respected knowledge of the M series informed me that was a bad idea, as the M motor can damage the M7 due to some construction differences. But it was ok to use it on my M4-2.

Of course this was a few years ago so I forgot who that person was, apart from respected..

I'm not sure if the M6/MP/M-A also have a possibility of being damaged by the M Motor but it shied me away from using it on my M-A as well.

I will tell you though.. the M motor is easily the worst motor winder I have ever used. Uncomfortable to hold and it kicks back through the shutter button shaking the camera. It also seems that one should use a very light touch on the shutter button as too much resistance may cause damage to that mechanism, as it 'needs' to bounce and preventing that may cause other problems.

Never had to deal with that with any other camera I have ever used.
 
Huss, I have to to agree with you. The M Motor and the much earlier M4-2 Winders could never be mistaken for Nikon motor products. Besides the shutter button jump, you could feel the beating heart through the casing. What one user called "the industrial era monster." The Leicavit & Tom's Rapidwinder are much more in keeping with the M design style.
As an aside, I'm not sure how this two year old thread popped up in the feed.
 
Huss, I have to to agree with you. The M Motor and the much earlier M4-2 Winders could never be mistaken for Nikon motor products. Besides the shutter button jump, you could feel the beating heart through the casing. What one user called "the industrial era monster." The Leicavit & Tom's Rapidwinder are much more in keeping with the M design style.
As an aside, I'm not sure how this two year old thread popped up in the feed.

If not mistaken, it's related to your post in the last day.
 
Hap, I'm not sure how that happened.... i only posted because it came up with the the topic open.... & i couldn't delete my comment..
No matter... the M5 vs the rest of the Ms controversy will not doubt continue.
 
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