M8.2 is $6295

aizan said:
it's not that hard. i like it even better than my original idea of pushing the up arrow for iso, down for exposure comp.
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I'm not saying it's impossible ... what I'm saying is with a little more thought it can be done with the tip of a finger ... like all other rangefinders that have AE! Every other camera with AE I own can be EV compensated without removing the viewfinder from your eye.

If you like the current method of looking at the screen while you open the appropriate menu and then scroll up or down ... then you're easily pleased!
 
For the price of a M8.2, I can have a Canon eos with double the amount of pixels, good water sealing, fuill frame and lots and lots more. Sure its not a rangefinder but it offers more for less money.

Lets face it, the M8 is not a good camera and it is way overpriced. Ever since Leica started making cameras for collectors, making a special edition out of every silly anniversary, swapping the M6 for the mp which is the same camera but with some M3 style parts, the company has become a joke. And yes, I have owned both an M5 and an M6.
 
Frank1969 said:
For the price of a M8.2, I can have a Canon eos with double the amount of pixels, good water sealing, fuill frame and lots and lots more. Sure its not a rangefinder but it offers more for less money.

Lets face it, the M8 is not a good camera and it is way overpriced. Ever since Leica started making cameras for collectors, making a special edition out of every silly anniversary, swapping the M6 for the mp which is the same camera but with some M3 style parts, the company has become a joke. And yes, I have owned both an M5 and an M6.
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forget canon, how about the new sony(for the price of the mkIII you get more pixels and a couple of fine zeiss lenses to boot :))
also, theres nothing wrong with the m8, it has its quirks like everything else, but it works beautifully when handled properly
 
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Well, on a dutch forum there is a report from a (now former) M8 user who brought his M8 for a trip to Greenland this summer. The camera was carried in his backpack. After 5 days it stopped working while another persons' eos 400d carried on without any problems. Back home the camera was send in for repair, turned out it had moisture damage, repair costed 2.800 euros.

I just received a digital newsletter from Zeiss announcing the new EF line of Zeiss lenses. Must be wonderful to put one of those lenses on a 22 megapixel full frame eos camera.

I would not expect a professional camera to stop functioning while a amateur camera works without problems.
 
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Frank1969 said:
Well, on a dutch forum there is a report from a (now former) M8 user who brought his M8 for a trip to Greenland this summer. The camera was carried in his backpack. After 5 days it stopped working while another persons' eos 400d carried on without any problems. Back home the camera was send in for repair, turned out it had moisture damage, repair costed 2.800 euros.

I just received a digital newsletter from Zeiss announcing the new EF line of Zeiss lenses. Must be wonderful to put one of those lenses on a 22 megapixel full frame eos camera.

I would not expect a professional camera to stop functioning while a amateur camera works without problems.
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i've said it here before and i'll say it again...that's just plain bad luck and it happens with every brand. I've seen mk III's stop working in 95 degree heat...which isn't hot at all, and I've also seen them cary on flawlessly in hurricanes.
It may not change what happened to that one guys m8, but mine has been covered in volcanic ash, soaking wet from torrential rain...the only problem I've ever had was after the rain incident I had to take apart the preview lever and re-lube it.
As far as professional cameras that stop functioning where amateurs go on...I doubt a digital hassy would last too long in moist conditions where the olympus weather/crush proof point and shoot would keep on going even if it were submerged in 30 feet of water.

I'm just saying....in my experience that story is just plain bad luck, not that you or that guy is lying....but i've taken my m8 through much much worse than just a bit of humidity.
 
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stefan_dinu said:
That's old news. Since you posted, there was an announcement that CZ lens are available in EF mount for Canon. Here:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091501Zeissforcanon.asp
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yeah...but my point was that the sony is A LOT cheaper than the canon...just as the canon is "cheaper" than the m8....just pointing out that the whole ...but this camera is cheaper and better... bit is ridiculous, you can always say that about anything....even canons.
 
dcsang said:
Old news that's been dredged up again and again and again.

Not that it's not relevant but there have been threads all over the Net by detractors of the M8 - this one just happens to be the one that gets quoted the most.

Dave
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I hadn't seen that before. It's hard to call the guy a detractor since he's been using film lecias for years and loves them (except for the M7 apparently). What I think can be distilled from his thoughts are that: 1 - the M8 is seriously behind in terms of technology and design. 2 - Who was the m8 designed for? Maybe it was never meant to be a war camera, but for that amount of money, it should hold up.

I'd love to own an M8 personally, but the guy raises some good points.
 
The main confusion with the news is the lack of a sensor upgrade. Has a new version of digital camera ever come out nearly 2 years later with no sensor upgrade?
 
Frank1969 said:
Well, on a dutch forum there is a report from a (now former) M8 user who brought his M8 for a trip to Greenland this summer. The camera was carried in his backpack. After 5 days it stopped working while another persons' eos 400d carried on without any problems. Back home the camera was send in for repair, turned out it had moisture damage, repair costed 2.800 euros.

I just received a digital newsletter from Zeiss announcing the new EF line of Zeiss lenses. Must be wonderful to put one of those lenses on a 22 megapixel full frame eos camera.

I would not expect a professional camera to stop functioning while a amateur camera works without problems.
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Yes he kept a camera in wet conditions in a damp backpack in temperatures calculated to induce condensation. Now that will get moisture inside the camera all over. And it was damaged so much that the whole internals, including the sensor needed to be replaced. How wet do you need for that? And then he tried to claim it under warrantee, where it is clearly an insurance matter.
He is a nice guy and he tried to treat the camera as best he knew, but his luck ran out. The Dutch Leica importer offered him a new camera for the price of the repair when Leica refused warrantee, and even now Leica is looking to see if they can accomodate him in any way.
I guess the end of the story will be that his insurance will pay up.
 
wayneb said:
The main confusion with the news is the lack of a sensor upgrade. Has a new version of digital camera ever come out nearly 2 years later with no sensor upgrade?
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Err.. Upgrade to what? The laws of physics haven't been bent yet, but I'm sure Leica is working on that...
 
endustry said:
Just because two pieces of electronic equipment each take photos using lenses and a digital sensor does not make them relative to one another.
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Yep.. I've been saying basically the same thing for quite a while now but everyone seems to think that just because I can buy a brand new Vespa scooter for the same money as the M8 that I should be able to ride the M8 to work daily ;)

Dave
 
endustry said:
What I'm tired of seeing dredged up are the "I can get a 5D and three L lenses for the price of an M8" arguments. One is a big, obtrusive dSLR whose f/1.4 prime lenses are twice as big as a Noctilux. While I agree that if Leica keeps making these bigger and bigger lenses (21 f1.4, 24 f/1.4, etc.) the differences may no longer be applicable but seriously folks: APPLES & ORANGES. Just because two pieces of electronic equipment each take photos using lenses and a digital sensor does not make them relative to one another.
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Agreed I'd rather compare a 5d with Zeiss lenses with the M8. The latter and the 5d I have, the Zeiss with Canon mount not yet.
 
endustry said:
I dunno, Dave, the first thing I think of when buying a digital camera is: but will it hold up in a fire fight? Not that there are many firefights around -- even here in New York. But still. ;P
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That's why all cameras are cr...ud, and the only true camera that is worth anything is a pinhole.

Don't forget to load it with fillum.
 
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